An algebra problem by Áron Bán-Szabó

Algebra Level 1

a + b c + d = a b c d \dfrac{a+b}{c+d}=\dfrac{a-b}{c-d}

If a , b , c , d a,b,c,d are integers, which of the following can be the value of a × b × c × d ? a\times b\times c\times d?

2017 2020 2022 2023 2025

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9 solutions

Marco Brezzi
Aug 20, 2017

Relevant wiki: Componendo and Dividendo

a + b c + d = a b c d \dfrac{a+b}{c+d}=\dfrac{a-b}{c-d}

Multiplying both sides by c + d c+d and dividing by a b a-b we get

a + b a b = c + d c d \dfrac{a+b}{a-b}=\dfrac{c+d}{c-d}

By Componendo and Dividendo

a b = c d \dfrac{a}{b}=\dfrac{c}{d}

Cross-multiplying

a d = b c ad=bc

Hence

a b c d = ( a d ) 2 abcd=(ad)^2 must be the square of an integer

Among the choices, 2025 \boxed{2025} is the only perfect square

2025 2025 is in fact achievable for example when a = c = 45 , b = d = 1 a=c=45,b=d=1


Note:

In the first step I assumed a b a\neq b since a = b a=b in this case would imply a = b = 0 a=b=0 , which means that a b c d = 0 abcd=0 that is not in the options

Moderator note:

Componendo and Dividendo is quite common in math competitions but not generally part of the "standard school curriculum" so it's understandable if you've never seen it before.

Technically speaking, this uses the converse of the relevant Componendo and Dividendo Theorem . The relevant part states

If a , b , c a, b, c and d d are numbers such that b b and d d are non-zero and a b = c d \dfrac{a}{b} = \dfrac{c}{d} , then: for k a b , a + k b a k b = c + k d c k d . k \neq \dfrac{a}{b}, \dfrac{ a+kb}{a-kb} = \dfrac{ c+kd}{c-kd}.

Justifying the converse, we can apply Componendo et Dividendo with k = 1 k=1 (which is valid since a + b a b 1 \frac{a+b}{a-b} \neq 1 ), and get that

2 a 2 b = ( a + b ) + ( a b ) ( a + b ) ( a b ) = ( c + d ) + ( c d ) ( c + d ) ( c d ) = 2 c 2 d \frac{ 2a } { 2b} = \frac{ (a+b) + (a-b) } { (a+b) - (a-b) } = \frac{ (c+d) + (c-d) } { (c+d) - (c-d) } = \frac{ 2c} { 2d}

which implies that a b = c d . \frac{a}{b} = \frac{c}{d} .

Many more details are at the wiki.

Please write an example, where abcd=2025. Here an example is obligatory, because you only proved that out of the choices, only 2025 could be possible.

Áron Bán-Szabó - 3 years, 9 months ago

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The square root of 2025 is 45. So, the only possible values for ad and bc are {5,9}, and {15,3}. And a>b , c>d or a<b, c<d to make each expression the same sign (+ or -) Thus we could say a = 15, b = 9, c = 5, d = 3 Now the original equality reduces to 24/8 = 6/2 Which is a true equality.

Steph Schmidt - 3 years, 9 months ago

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{15,1} works too...

And what happens if we take ( a , d ) = ( 3 , 15 ) (a,d) = (-3, -15) and ( b , c ) = ( 5 , 9 ) (b,c) = (5,9) ? ( 3 ) + 5 9 + ( 15 ) = 2 6 = 1 3 . \frac { (-3) + 5} { 9 + (-15)} = \frac{2}{-6} = -\frac 13. ( 3 ) 5 9 ( 15 ) = 8 24 = 1 3 . \frac { (-3) - 5 } { 9 - (-15)} = \frac{-8}{24} = -\frac 13.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 9 months ago

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@Arjen Vreugdenhil Yes, thank you for pointing out these are integer values and need not be natural numbers. Additionally (b,c)=(-5,-9) works when (a,d)=(3,15).

With respect to your response that {15,1} works too, I'm not sure I know what you mean by this.

Steph Schmidt - 3 years, 8 months ago

Must be factors of sqrt of 2025 (45); 1,3,5 and corresponding negative roots.

Donald Zacherl - 3 years, 9 months ago

An approach I appreciated more which required no computer calculation at all took almost all the same steps as yours, but at the end, I showed that a perfect square cannot end in a 7, 2, or 3, and then showed that 2020 is also not one, leaving only 2025 as a possible option.

Oli Hohman - 3 years, 9 months ago

I reached till ad=bc

SATPAL SINGH - 3 years, 8 months ago

There is typo in your solution. a b c d = ( b c ) 2 abcd = (bc)^2 :)

Naren Bhandari - 3 years, 9 months ago

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But ad=bc :)

rajdeep das - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Yes, that true but i mean in @Marco Brezzi 's solution a b c d = ( a d ) 2 abcd = (ad)^2 is written which is typo. Isn't it? :)

Naren Bhandari - 3 years, 9 months ago

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@Naren Bhandari Since a d = b c ad=bc

a b c d = a d b c = ( a d ) 2 = ( b c ) 2 abcd=ad\cdot bc =(ad)^2=(bc)^2

They are equivalent, no typo

Marco Brezzi - 3 years, 9 months ago

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@Marco Brezzi I see now . :)

Naren Bhandari - 3 years, 9 months ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Aug 27, 2017

Multiply by the common denominator ( c + d ) ( c d ) (c+d)(c-d) : ( a + b ) ( c d ) = ( a b ) ( c + d ) . (a+b)(c-d) = (a-b)(c+d). Expand the products: a c a d + b c b d = a c + a d b c b d . ac - ad + bc - bd = ac + ad - bc - bd. Cancel the terms a c ac and b d bd ; combine the remaining terms, and divide by two. b c = a d = : K . bc = ad =: K. Therefore a b c d = ( a d ) ( b c ) = K 2 abcd = (ad)(bc) = K^2 must be a perfect square. This leaves only 2025 = 4 5 2 \boxed{2025} = 45^2 .

Example that this is indeed possible: take a = 5 a = 5 , b = 3 b = 3 , c = 15 c = 15 , d = 9 d = 9 . Then 3 + 5 15 + 9 = 8 24 = 1 3 = 2 6 = 5 3 15 9 . \frac{3+5}{15+9} = \frac 8{24} = \frac 13 = \frac 2 6 = \frac{5-3}{15-9}.

I followed the exact steps.

Eman Asaad - 3 years, 9 months ago
Mohammad Khaza
Aug 27, 2017

Relevant wiki: Componendo and Dividendo

a + b c + d \frac{a+b}{c+d} = a b c d \frac{a-b}{c-d}

or, a + b a b \frac{a+b}{a-b} = c + d c d \frac{c+d}{c-d}

or, a + b + a b a + b a + b \frac{a+b+a-b}{a+b-a+b} = c + d + c d c + d c + d \frac{c+d+c-d}{c+d-c+d} ............[by componendo & dividendo]

or, a b \frac{a}{b} = c d \frac{c}{d}

or, a d = b c ad=bc = k k

as they are integer a b c d abcd must be a square.

there is only 1 square number 2025= 4 5 2 45^2 .......[the answer]

Naren Bhandari
Aug 29, 2017

a + b c + d = a b c d \frac{a+b}{c+d} = \frac{a-b}{c-d}

By cross multiplication

a c a d + b c a b = a c b c + a d b d ac - ad +bc -ab = ac - bc + ad -bd

a d = b c ad = bc

a d = b c ad = bc

Multiplying by b c bc on both sides we get,

a b c d = ( b c ) 2 abcd = (bc)^2 which implies that a b c d abcd must be a perfect square number So, the answer is 2025 2025 .

William Tomlinson
Aug 30, 2017

My solution was a little more practical, and less technical than some others, so I'll share it here.

  • 2017 is a prime number, so it can't work.
  • 2020 has prime factors 2x2x5x101, so it's a candidate (it's possible to factor it into a multiple of 4 numbers).
  • 2023 has prime factors 7x17x17, not possible to factor it any further so it can't work.
  • 2025 has prime factors 3x3x3x3x5x5, so also a candidate since this can also be written 9x9x5x5.

Given the equation above, intuitively, 2025 seems most likely to work so start with that:

9 + 5 9 + 5 \frac{9+5}{9+5} = 9 5 9 5 \frac{9-5}{9-5}

Since both evaluate to 1, this works. No combination of 2,2,5,101 works in this equality, so the answer is 2025. I know this isn't as rigorous as actually simplifying the equation like the other solutions here, but it does work and I like it as a more intuitive approach.

Lo Chun Yin
Sep 1, 2017

My idea is very simple. If you try to find the factors of all those answer, you will soon find out only 2025 can fit into the formula.

2017 is a prime number so no for sure.

Prime factorization of other 4 are:

  • 2020: 2^2 * 5 * 101
  • 2022: 2 * 3 * 337
  • 2023: 7 * 17^2
  • 2025: 3^4 * 5^2

Problem solved

Linh Vũ
Sep 1, 2017

We have: a + b c + d \frac{a + b}{c + d} = a b c d \frac{a - b}{c - d} => (a + b).(c - d) = (a - b).(c + d) => ac + bc - bd -ad = ac - bc + ad - bd => ac + bc - bd - ad - ac + bc - ad + bd = 0 => 2bc - 2ad = 0 => bc = ad => a x b x c x d = ad x bc = ad.ad But only 2025 is a square number. So E is correct.

ac+bc-bd-ad=ac+ad-bc-bd 2bc=2ad bc=ad The answer would be a number which is a perfect square. Thus, 2025. Since sqrt2025 is 45, we let, for example, a as 45 and d = 1. And if c=45, b=1, we get 1=1, after plugging in. :)

Siva Meesala
Aug 28, 2017

abcd must be perfect square ie2025.

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