Sure, Two Times Three Is Six

Algebra Level 2

If 2 x = 3 y = 6 , 2^x = 3^y = 6, then which of the following statements is true?

x y = x y x-y = xy x y = x / y xy=x/y y x = x y y-x = xy x + y = x y x+y = xy

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16 solutions

Michael Fischer
Jan 5, 2015

2 x = 6 2 = 6 1 x . . . ( 1 ) 2^x = 6 \Longrightarrow 2 = 6^\frac{1}{x} ... (1)

3 y = 6 3 = 6 1 y . . . ( 2 ) 3^y = 6 \Longrightarrow 3 = 6^\frac{1}{y} ... (2)

Multiplying the RHS's of eqs (1) and (2):

6 1 = 6 1 x + 1 y 6^1 = 6^{\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} }

So, 1 = 1 x + 1 y x + y = x y 1 = \frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} \Longrightarrow \boxed{x+y=xy}

2 x = 2 3 3 = 2 x 1 S o a l s o 2 = 3 y 1 3 1 = 2 x 1 = { 3 x 1 } y 1 = 3 x y x y + 1 1 = x y x y + 1. x y = x + y . 2^x=2*3 ~ ~\therefore~3=2^{x-1} ~~So ~ also ~2=3^{y-1}\\ 3^1=2^{x-1}=\Large \{ 3^{x-1}\}^{y-1}=3^{xy-x-y+1}\\ \implies~1=xy-x-y+1. ~~~\therefore ~xy=x+y.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 5 months ago

simple approach

Pavan Kumar - 6 years, 5 months ago

seems interestingly correct in mathematical way........ but what are the values of X and Y practically ..... as x+y=xy only in the condition where x=2 and y=2 but this solution doesn't satisfy the given equation as 2^2=4 instead of 6 and 3^2=9 instead of 6 ...........

SURENDER KUMAR - 5 years, 5 months ago

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You are thinking in terms of solution with INTEGERS only. However x=2.584962501, and y=1.630929754 will satisfy the equations.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Hi! Sir may you tell me plz how did you calculate?

Kunwar Singh - 5 years ago

Wow and how do you calculate that

Jet Sirilim - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@Jet Sirilim x L o g 2 = L o g 2 + L o g 3 x = 1 + L o g 3 L o g 2 = 2.584962501 xLog2=Log2+Log3 ~\implies ~x =1+\dfrac{Log3}{Log2}=2.584962501 So also y.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 4 months ago

It's not a sufficient condition, it's just a necessary condition..

Anish Tholath - 5 years, 2 months ago

Well x and y are irrational numbers so I'm not sure if that makes it possible for x+y=xy

Benjamin Snyder - 5 years ago

Anything to the power of 0 is 1 so 0+0=0×0

Sabina Fridman - 4 years, 10 months ago

Where 6^1 = 6^1/x + 1/y, Why is the sum of 1/x and 1/y taken?

Kristina B - 4 years, 7 months ago

Nice approach. Congratulations.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 5 months ago

That exactly is X and Y, ???????? The maximum value, I could find is 0.25

Jet Sirilim - 5 years, 7 months ago

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M u l t i p l y 2 x = 6 a n d 3 y = 6 Multiply 2^x = 6 and 3^y = 6 2 x × 3 y = 6 2 \Rightarrow 2^x \times 3^y = 6^2 2 x × 3 y = ( 2 × 3 ) 2 \Rightarrow 2^x \times 3^y = (2 \times 3)^2 2 x × 3 y = 2 2 × 3 2 \Rightarrow 2^x \times 3^y = 2^2 \times 3^2 x = 2 a n d y = 2 \Rightarrow x = 2 and y = 2 From this xy = x + y 2 × 2 = 2 + 2 2 \times 2 = 2 + 2 \Rightarrow 4 = 4

Kidus Gebreyohannes - 5 years, 6 months ago

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(x = 2 and y = 2) is wrong: you assumed that 2^x = 2^2 and 2^y = 2^3 which is not necessary.

Holger Mueller - 5 years, 4 months ago

2 x = 3 y = 6 x log 2 = y log 3 x y = log 3 log 2 2^x = 3^y = 6\quad \Rightarrow x\log{2} = y\log{3} \quad \Rightarrow \dfrac {x}{y} = \dfrac {\log{3}}{\log{2}}

x log 2 = log 6 = log 2 + log 3 x = 1 + log 3 log 2 x\log{2} = \log{6} = \log{2}+\log{3}\quad \Rightarrow x = 1 + \dfrac {\log{3}}{\log{2}}

x = 1 + x y x y = y + x x + y = x y \Rightarrow x = 1 + \dfrac {x}{y}\quad \Rightarrow xy = y+x \quad \Rightarrow \boxed {x+y=xy}

I also used the same trick !!!

Soutrik Bandyopadhyay - 6 years, 5 months ago

I think this is best formate to solve this que. Congratulations!

Kunwar Singh - 5 years ago

Very good yaaar...excellent...

Adnan Khan - 5 years, 6 months ago

similar approach

Shreyansh Choudhary - 5 years, 5 months ago

Nice short solution.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 5 months ago

that's very elegant

Lawrence Pauls - 4 years, 8 months ago

buay hiow leh. Log si simi?

naveen naveen - 4 years, 8 months ago

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If y = 100 = 10 2 y=100=\color{#3D99F6}{10}^{\color{#D61F06}{2}} , then log 10 y = 2 \log_{\color{#3D99F6}{10}} y = \color{#D61F06}{2} .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 4 years, 8 months ago

Sir, Are there any integral solutions to the equation which you have solved and which also satisfies the original question condition?

Puneet Pinku - 4 years ago

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I don't get what you mean. x x and y y are not integral.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 4 years ago

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Integer solution

Puneet Pinku - 4 years ago

2^x=6 ====>x=log6/log2

3^y=6 ===>y=log6/log3 now, xy=(log 6)^2/(log 3*log 2)

x+y=log6((1/log 3)+(1/log 2)) ===>x+y=log 6((log 3+log 2)/(log 3 log 2)) ====>x+y=log 6((log 6)/(log 3 log 2)) ===>x+y=(log 6)^2/(log 3 log 2)) now (log 6)^2/(log 3 log 2)=x+y=xy so proved!!!!!!

ithink mine one is a long process isnt it???? @Chew-SeongCheong

Avinandan Sengupta - 6 years, 5 months ago

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2 x = 6 , x = l o g 6 l o g 2 3 y = 6 , y = l o g 6 l o g 3 x y = ( l o g 6 ) 2 ( l o g 3 l o g 2 ) A n d x + y = l o g 6 ( 1 l o g 3 + 1 l o g 2 ) x + y = l o g 6 ( l o g 3 + l o g 2 l o g 3 l o g 2 ) x + y = l o g 6 l o g 6 l o g 3 l o g 2 = x + y = ( l o g 6 ) 2 l o g 3 l o g 2 ( l o g 6 ) 2 l o g 3 l o g 2 = x + y = x y p r o v e d ! ! ! ! ! ! 2^x=6 , ~~~~\implies ~~x=\dfrac{log6}{log2} \\ 3^y=6, ~~~~\implies ~~y=\dfrac{log6}{log3} \\ \therefore~~~ xy=\dfrac{(log 6)^2}{(log 3*log 2)} \\ And~x+y=log6( \dfrac 1 {log 3}+\dfrac 1 {log 2}) ~~~~\implies ~x+y=log 6(\dfrac{log 3+log 2}{log 3*log 2}) \\ \implies ~x+y=log 6 \dfrac{log 6}{log 3*log 2} =x+y=\dfrac{(log 6)^2}{log 3*log 2} \\ \therefore ~~\dfrac{(log 6)^2}{log 3*log 2}=x+y=xy~~~~~~~~~ \color{#D61F06}{ proved!!!!!!}

I have Latexed your solution so that I may understand clearly what you mean.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 5 months ago

nice solution

Harnam Singh Rana - 6 years, 3 months ago
Curtis Clement
Jan 3, 2015

Firstly, multiply each of the exponents by x {x} such that 6 x 6^{x} = 2 x 2^{x} × \times 3 x 3^{x} = 6 × \times 3 x 3^{x} = 3 x y 3^{xy} ( 1). Then create another equation by multiplying the exponents of the original equation by y {y} such that: 6 y 6^{y} = 2 y 2^{y} × \times 3 y 3^{y} = 6 × \times 2 y 2^{y} = 2 x y 2^{xy} (2 ). Multiplying equations ( 1) and (2 ) together gives: 6 x + y 6^{x+y} = 6 x y 6^{xy} \therefore x + y {x+y} = x y {xy}

I'm probably missing something really obvious here but how did you get from 6 × 3 x = 3 x y 6 \times 3^x = 3^{xy} ?

Thicky Bushi - 5 years, 6 months ago

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6 x = 6 × 3 x 6^x = 6 × 3^x and 6 x = ( 3 y ) x = 3 x y 6^x = (3^y)^x = 3^{xy} , so 6 × 3 x = 3 x y 6 × 3^x = 3^{xy}

Javier Álvarez - 3 years, 4 months ago

Good thinking.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 5 months ago
Earle M'Lean
Jan 11, 2015

I did it in my head. The only way the fourth option works is if x any y are both 1 or -1. Not possible because 2^x =6

y-x = xy also eliminated as x must be larger than y and this would cause xy to be a negative number. Both exponents must be positive to satisfy the equation.

x-y=xy also no good. Both exponents must be greater than 1 and both positive to satisfy the equation. Since x>y >1 xy=x-y has no solution.

Since this is a legit problem not a trick question the only remaining solution x+y=xy is therefore the correct one.

Not a rigorous or elegant solution I admit but sound reasoning producing the correct answer. Took a lot longer to type than to work out.

This approach was workable only because it is a multiple choice question. If the question had been asked give the relationship between x and y I would have had to find a piece of paper.

Absolutely correct method. I liked it.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 5 months ago

Same approach I took as I didn't have paper and it was the only approach I could do in my head. I also realised that x had to be between 2 and 3 and y hand to be between 1 and 2 which also helped me to eliminate answers quickly

Charles Owen - 4 years, 8 months ago
Sabin Merchesan
Feb 18, 2015

2 x = 6 = > x = log 2 6 = log 2 ( 2 3 ) = log 2 2 + log 2 3 = 1 + log 2 3. 3 y = 6 = > y = log 3 6 = log 3 ( 3 2 ) = log 3 3 + log 3 2 = 1 + log 3 2. x y = ( 1 + log 2 3 ) ( 1 + log 3 2 ) = 1 + log 2 3 + log 3 2 + log 2 3 log 3 2 = 2 + log 2 3 + log 3 2. I u s e d t h e f a c t t h a t log a b log b a = 1. x + y = 1 + log 2 3 + 1 + log 3 2 = 2 + log 2 3 + log 3 2. T h e c o n c l u s i o n i s : x + y = x y 2^{ x }=6=>x=\log _{ 2 } 6=\log _{ 2 } (2*3)=\log _{ 2 } 2+\log _{ 2 } 3=1+\log _{ 2 } 3.\quad \\ 3^{ y }=6=>y=\log _{ 3 } 6=\log _{ 3 } (3*2)=\log _{ 3 } 3+\log _{ 3 } 2=1+\log _{ 3 } 2.\quad \\ xy=(1+\log _{ 2 } 3)(1+\log _{ 3 } 2)=1+\log _{ 2 } 3+\log _{ 3 } 2+\log _{ 2 } 3*\log _{ 3 } 2=2+\log _{ 2 } 3+\log _{ 3 } 2.\quad \\ I\quad used\quad the\quad fact\quad that\quad \log _{ a } b*\log _{ b } a=1.\quad \\ x+y=1+\log _{ 2 } 3+1+\log _{ 3 } 2=2+\log _{ 2 } 3+\log _{ 3 } 2.\\ The\quad conclusion\quad is:\quad x+y=xy

Eugenza Ryn
Jun 30, 2016
  • 2 x 1 = 3 2^{x-1}=3 since 3 y = 6 3^{y}=6 ( 2 x 1 ) y = 6 (2^{x-1})^{y}= 6 2 x y y = 2 x = 6 2^{xy-y}=2^{x}=6 Equate the powers xy-y=x x+y=xy
Venkatesh Patil
Sep 27, 2015

If one is trying to find the correct one out of the alternatives given then x+y=xy is correct. However, if one substitutes these values in the given equation, it will not hold good as 2^2 is 4 and 3^2 is 9 both are quite different and also not equal to 6. Hence there appears some error in the given equation itself.

Mel Maron
May 2, 2018

( 2 x ) y = 6 y (2^{x})^{y}=6^y and ( 3 y ) x = 6 x (3^{y})^{x}=6^x . So 2 x y 3 x y = 6 x 6 y 2^{xy} 3^{xy}=6^{x} 6^{y} , that is, 6 x y = 6 x + y = 6^{xy}=6^{x+y}= . Equate exponents.

Vatsal Trivedii
Apr 24, 2017

Let us assume that 2 x = 3 y = 6 1 = k 2^{x} = 3^{y} = 6^{1} = k

So

2 1 = k 1 / x a n d 3 1 = k 1 / y 2^{1} = k^{1/x} and 3^{1} = k^{1/y}

Now,

6 = 2 1 × 3 1 6 = 2^{1} \times 3^{1}

So

1 x \frac{1}{x} + 1 y \frac{1}{y} = 1

So

x + y = x × y x + y = x \times y

Mark Kosmowski
Nov 27, 2016

The other authors have good explanations of the formal mathematical solution. This solution discusses answering the multiple choice question quickly, such as on a timed, standardized exam such as an SAT or GRE.

First, by looking at the equation, we know that x and y must be positive real numbers, both greater than 1, with x > y. Therefore the statements y - x = xy; xy = x / y; and x - y = xy must all be false, leaving x + y = xy the best choice.

y - x will be negative, xy must be positive.

For two numbers greater than 1, x / y must be closer to 1 than xy (this logic holds true for y / x = xy being false as well - it does not matter whether "closer to 1" is greater or less than 1, it is still less than xy).

Likewise, x - y must be closer to 0 than xy (again, same logic for y - x = xy being false).

So, on an exam, select x + y = xy, possibly marking it for a more rigorous check at the end if time permits.

Benjamin Snyder
May 31, 2016

So I used process of elimination. X and y must both be greater than 1 since 2^x and 3^y both equal six. Therefore, xy is greater than either x or y so subtracting these two variables in any order does not work since that will give a number less than either of them. Also, xy=x/y does not work since y would have to be one. That leaves only one answer.

I'm not sure with my solution but I got it right by doing this : 2^x = 6 -> log6 base 2 = x (1) 3^y = 6 -> log6 base 3 = y (2)

Then, we need to change the bases of eq 1 and 2 so they have same base, which is 10 [that's what I want XD] so [using a theorem wherein I forgot what it is called XD ]

x = log6/log2 and y = log6/log3

try adding them and you'll see that it is true that

log6/log2 + log6/log3 = log6(log3+log2)/log2*log3

note that log3+log2 = log6 [using a rule in addition of logs]

so log6(log3+log2) = log6*log6

try muliplying the two of them and you'll see that

log6/log2 * log6/log3 = log6(log6)/log2*log3

which is the same as the first one :-D

Hope it helped somebody to understand the problem :-D

Shahin Alam
Feb 12, 2016

I m really Brilliant

Dusan Brdjovic
Feb 6, 2016

2^x=6 and 3^y=6, therefor x>1 and y>1; xy>x/y (xy=x/y is not correct); x-y<xy (x-y=xy is not correct); 2<3, therefor x>y; y-x<0 and xy>0 (y-x=xy is not correct); x+y>x and x+y>y and xy>x and xy>y, so x+y=xy has to be correct answer (assuming that one answer is correct)

Yaron Ravid
Dec 20, 2015

without solving, option x+y=xy is the only simetric equation and the original equations cannot bring a-simetric ones

Liviu Tudor
Nov 15, 2015

2^x=6 => 2^(x-1)=3 and
3^x=6 it result that
2^((x-1) y)=6 it result that
2^((x-1)
y)=2^x therefore (x-1) y=x and x y=x+y

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