An interesting Curve

Geometry Level 3

Given an ellipse (in blue) with a horizontal major axis of length 10 and a vertical minor axis of length 6, we construct a curve (in red) which is the boundary of the convex hull of points which are 3 units away from the blue ellipse.

Find the length of this red curve, and find the area of the band with width 3 (shaded in light blue) around the ellipse.

If S S is the sum of these two numbers, then submit 1000 S \lfloor 1000 S \rfloor as your answer.


The answer is 149231.

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6 solutions

John Ross
Aug 7, 2018

The area in question can be divided up into little rectangles and little triangles (all perpendicular to the ellipse) as shown.

Because the ellipse makes a full rotation, all the little triangles will add together to make a circle with radius 3. All the little rectangles will add together to make a rectangle with height 3 3 and length k k where k k is the perimeter of the original ellipse. We can see that the total area of the shape in question is 9 π + 3 k 9\pi+3k and the total perimeter is 6 π + k 6\pi+k . Now all we have to do is find k k . If a short line segment has horizontal width d x dx and slope m m , the line segment length will be 1 + m 2 d x \sqrt{1+m^2}dx . This means that k k will be equal to 2 5 5 1 + f 2 d x 2\int_{-5}^{5} \sqrt{1+f'^2}dx where f ( x ) f(x) is the function of the ellipse. We can use an integral calculator to calculate k = 25.52699 k=25.52699 and Perimeter+Area = 4 k + 15 π = 149.231 \text{Perimeter+Area}=4k+15\pi=\boxed{149.231}

I want to know if the red curve is an eclipse .

LosAnky Raw - 2 years, 9 months ago

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No, it is not.

John Ross - 2 years, 9 months ago

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why? i really dont understand why?

Tsuriel Avraham - 2 years, 9 months ago

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@Tsuriel Avraham ( 4 , 9 5 ) (-4,\frac 95) is a point on the blue curve. The blue curve has slope 4 5 \frac 45 at this point, so we can draw a length three perpendicular with slope 5 4 \frac{-5}{4} from this point. We then get that the point ( 4 12 41 , 9 5 + 15 41 ) (-4-\frac{12}{\sqrt{41}},\frac 95 + \frac{15}{\sqrt{41}}) is on the red curve. If the red curve was an ellipse, then its equation would be x 2 64 + y 2 36 = 1 \frac{x^2}{64}+\frac{y^2}{36}=1 , but the point we found does not satisfy that equation, so we know that the red curve is not an ellipse.

John Ross - 2 years, 9 months ago

quite an elegant solution it is! a simple but cute geometric shortcut and a piece of simple calculus! thanks for publishing that!

Nik Gibson - 2 years, 9 months ago

But i think the area is 33π(48π-15π)

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago
Jon Haussmann
Aug 7, 2018

More generally, suppose we start with a curve α \alpha , and construct a curve β \beta that has a distance of r r from α \alpha . Then Length ( β ) = Length ( α ) + 2 π r \text{Length}(\beta) = \text{Length}(\alpha) + 2 \pi r and Area ( β ) = Area ( α ) + r Length ( α ) + π r 2 . \text{Area}(\beta) = \text{Area}(\alpha) + r \cdot \text{Length}(\alpha) + \pi r^2.

See https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/58467/a-question-on-closed-convex-plane-curves-from-do-carmo . You can get some intuition for this result by considering the case where α \alpha is a polygon.

Very cool formulas but using them I get that S=47pi, which is actually rather close to the expected value of S being approximately 47.5017pi but still off. I found the areas of both of the ellipses (A=ab*pi) and used the areas along with these formulas to find the lengths.

Martin Puškin - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Just to make it clear, only the original blue curve is an ellipse. The outer red curve is not an ellipse.

Jon Haussmann - 2 years, 9 months ago

Is there any analogous formula for surface area and volume in three dimensions?

Aryaman Maithani - 2 years, 9 months ago
Hosam Hajjir
Aug 5, 2018

The parametric equation of the given ellipse is

p ( t ) = ( 5 cos t , 3 sin t ) \mathbf{p}(t) = (5 \cos t, 3 \sin t)

The tangent vector is given by

p ( t ) = ( 5 sin t , 3 cos t ) \mathbf{p'}(t) = (-5 \sin t, 3 \cos t)

Therefore, the unit normal is given by

n ( t ) = ( 3 cos t , 5 sin t ) / 9 cos 2 t + 25 sin 2 t \mathbf{n}(t) = (3 \cos t, 5 \sin t) / \sqrt{ 9 \cos^2 t + 25 \sin^2 t }

It follows that

q ( t ) = ( 5 cos t , 3 sin t ) + 3 ( 3 cos t , 5 sin t ) / 9 cos 2 t + 25 sin 2 t \mathbf{q}(t) = (5 \cos t, 3 \sin t) + 3 (3 \cos t, 5 \sin t) / \sqrt{ 9 \cos^2 t + 25 \sin^2 t }

The derivative with respect to t t is given by

q ( t ) = ( 5 sin t , 3 cos t ) + 3 ( 3 sin t , 5 cos t ) / 9 cos 2 t + 25 sin 2 t 3 ( 3 cos t , 5 sin t ) ( 9 cos t sin t + 25 sin t cos t ) / ( 9 cos 2 t + 25 sin 2 t ) ( 3 / 2 ) \mathbf{q'}(t) = (-5 \sin t , 3 \cos t) + 3 (-3 \sin t, 5 \cos t) / \sqrt{9 \cos^2 t + 25 \sin^2 t} - 3 (3 \cos t, 5 \sin t) (-9 \cos t \sin t + 25 \sin t \cos t )/ (9 \cos^2 t + 25 \sin^2 t)^{(3/2)}

= ( 5 sin t , 3 cos t ) + 3 ( 3 sin t , 5 cos t ) / 9 cos 2 t + 25 sin 2 t 3 ( 3 cos t , 5 sin t ) ( 8 sin 2 t ) / ( 9 cos 2 t + 25 sin 2 t ) ( 3 / 2 ) = (-5 \sin t, 3 \cos t) + 3 ( -3 \sin t, 5 \cos t) / \sqrt{ 9 \cos^2 t + 25 \sin^2 t} - 3 (3 \cos t, 5 \sin t) (8 \sin 2 t )/( 9 \cos^2 t + 25 \sin^2 t)^{(3/2)}

To find the length of the curve, we integrate the length of q \mathbf{q'}

L = 0 2 π q ( t ) d t L = \displaystyle \int_{0}^{2 \pi} | \mathbf{q'}(t) | dt

And the area enclosed by the curve is given by

A = 1 2 0 2 π ( q x q y q y q x ) d t A = \frac{1}{2} | \displaystyle \int_{0}^{2 \pi} (\mathbf{q}_x \mathbf{q'}_y - \mathbf{q}_y \mathbf{q'}_x) dt |

These integrations can be carried out very easily and accurately using Simpson's Rule numerical integration method, and the result is

L = 44.37655 L =44.37655 and A = 151.97922 A = 151.97922 , thus the area of the blue-shaded band is A π ( 5 ) ( 3 ) = 104.85533 A - \pi (5)(3) = 104.85533 , and this makes the answer

1000 ( 44.37655 + 104.85533 ) = 1000 ( 149.23188 ) = 149231 \lfloor 1000( 44.37655 + 104.85533) \rfloor = \lfloor 1000(149.23188) \rfloor = 149231

The figure says horizontal r=4, the text says r=5?

Jan Willem van Dijk - 2 years, 9 months ago

Where do you get the formula for area from?

Desmond Campbell - 2 years, 8 months ago

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It follows from a modification of Green's theorem to find the area enclosed by a closed curve. Refer to any textbook on Calculus, and you should find the answer to your question.

Hosam Hajjir - 2 years, 8 months ago
Jeremy Galvagni
Aug 7, 2018

Concentrating on the first quadrant, the ellipse is y = 3 1 x 2 25 y=3 \sqrt{1-\frac{x^{2}}{25}}

The normal as a function of x is the opposite reciprocal of the derivative N ( x ) = 625 9 x 2 25 9 N(x)=\sqrt{\frac{625}{9x^{2}}-\frac{25}{9}}

For any ( x , y ) (x,y) on the ellipse, we can now add the correct amount of this normal to each coordinate to get a new point on the outer rim ( x + 3 1 + N 2 , y + 3 N 1 + N 2 ) (x+\frac{3}{\sqrt{1+N^{2}}},y+\frac{3N}{\sqrt{1+N^{2}}})

Now let x x and y y each be mediated by parameter a a where x = a + 9 a 625 16 a 2 x=a+\frac{9a}{\sqrt{625-16a^{2}}} and y = 3 1 a 2 25 ( 1 + 25 625 16 a 2 ) y=3\sqrt{1-\frac{a^{2}}{25}}(1+\frac{25}{\sqrt{625-16a^{2}}})

This is where I leave out some gory details. From here I leaned heavily on WolframAlpha. Find d x dx and d y dy easily enough.

The area can now be found by 0 5 ( d x y ) d a 37.9948 \int_{0}^{5} (dx\cdot y) da \approx 37.9948 then subtract a quarter of the ellipse π 5 3 / 4 \pi\cdot 5 \cdot 3 / 4 to get 26.2138 26.2138

The perimeter is 0 5 d x 2 + d y 2 d a 11.0941 \int_{0}^{5} \sqrt{dx^{2}+dy^{2}} da \approx 11.0941

Multiply these by 4 and add them to get S 149.2317 S \approx 149.2317 and so 1000 S = 149231 \lfloor 1000S \rfloor =\boxed{149231}

Shubham Dwivedi
Aug 25, 2018

Both the quantities (area of the band and arc length of the outer curve) can be calculated by considering a small length d s ds on the ellipse as shown below-

From the above image we can write down following equations-

d s ds = 1 + y 2 d x \sqrt{1 + y'^2}dx

r d θ r*d\theta = d s ds

r = ( 1 + y ) 3 2 y \frac{(1+y')^\frac{3}{2}}{y''}

d A dA = outer sector - inner sector = ( r + k ) 2 2 d θ r 2 2 d θ \frac{(r+k)^2}{2}d\theta - \frac{r^2}{2}d\theta = k 2 2 d θ k r d θ \frac{k^2}{2}d\theta - krd\theta

d L dL = ( 1 + r k ) d s (1+\frac{r}{k})*ds (using similarity of both sectors)

With the help of above equations, we can eliminate d s , r ds, r and d θ d\theta and express d A dA and d L dL just in terms of x. Integrating over one quadrant and using numerical method for the elliptic integral, we can arrive at the answer - 149.231

Vinod Kumar
Aug 24, 2018

Taking inner ellipse as (5, 3) and 3 the thickness of the outer lane, we have x and y on the outer boundary as a function of angle 't' from x axis:

x(t)= 5cos(t)+9cos(t)/√f(t),

y(t)= 3sin(t) +15sin(t)/√f(t), where,

f(t)=(25cos(t)^2+9sin(t)^2)

Integrating by WolframAlpha a simplified expression of y(t){dx(t)/dt} dt from 0 to π/2 gives area as 37.99948. Subtracting 15π/4 and multiplying by 4 gives area of the outer lane of width 3 as 104.85533.

Similarly, integrating by WolframAlpha a simplified expression of √{(dx/dt)^2 + (dy/dt)^2}dt from 0 to π/2 and multiplying by 4 gives perimeter of the external boundary as 44.37655.

Sum of boundary area and perimeter is 104.85533+44.37655=149.23188, and Answer=149231.

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