Another Locus Problem

Geometry Level 5

Let P P be a point inside a triangle A B C \triangle ABC such that P B A = P C A {\angle PBA=\angle PCA} . The locus of the point P P is a curve which divides the triangle into two regions. Find a general expression of the areas of the two regions.

The smaller area when a = 5 a=5 , b = 4 b=4 , and c = 3 c=3 is l m n ln ( m ) {l-\dfrac{m}{n}\ln(m)} , where l l , m m , and n n are coprime positive integers. Submit l + m + n {l+m+n} .


The answer is 18.

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Mark Hennings
Jul 30, 2020

Suppose for definiteness that B > C B > C . Suppose that P P is a point such that P B A = P C A = θ \angle PBA = \angle PCA = \theta . If we set up a coordinate system with C C at the origin, A A at the point ( b , 0 ) (b,0) and B B at the point ( b c cos A , c sin A ) (b-c\cos A,c\sin A) , then the coordinates of P P can be found by solving the simultaneous equations y = x tan θ y c sin A = ( x b + c cos A ) tan ( θ + A ) y \; = \; x\tan\theta \hspace{2cm} y - c\sin A \; = \; -(x - b + c\cos A)\tan(\theta+A) and hence P P has coordinates x = b sin ( θ + A ) c sin θ sin ( 2 θ + A ) cos θ y = b sin ( θ + A ) c sin θ sin ( 2 θ + A ) sin θ x \; = \; \frac{b\sin(\theta+A) - c\sin\theta}{\sin(2\theta+A)}\cos\theta \hspace{2cm} y \; = \; \frac{b\sin(\theta+A) - c\sin\theta}{\sin(2\theta+A)}\sin\theta and hence the locus of P P can be given by the polar equation r = b sin ( θ + A ) c sin θ sin ( 2 θ + A ) = b sin A + ( b cos A c ) tan θ sin A ( cot 1 2 A tan θ ) ( tan 1 2 A + tan θ ) sec θ 0 < θ < C r \; = \; \frac{b\sin(\theta+A) - c\sin\theta}{\sin(2\theta+A)} \; = \; \frac{b\sin A + (b\cos A - c)\tan\theta}{\sin A(\cot\frac12A - \tan\theta)(\tan\frac12A + \tan\theta)}\sec\theta \hspace{2cm} 0 < \theta < C Note that if 2 C < B + C = π A 2C < B+C = \pi - A , so that C < 1 2 π 1 2 A C < \tfrac12\pi - \tfrac12A , and hence tan C < cot 1 2 A \tan C < \cot\tfrac12A , so this function for r r is well-defined. We can now calculate the area of the region of the triangle that contains C C to be Δ + = 1 2 0 C r 2 d θ = 0 tan C ( b sin A + ( b cos A c ) t ) 2 2 sin 2 A ( cot 1 2 A t ) 2 ( tan 1 2 A + t ) 2 d t \Delta_+ \; = \; \frac12\int_0^C r^2\,d\theta \; = \; \int_0^{\tan C} \frac{(b\sin A + (b \cos A - c)t)^2}{2\sin^2A(\cot\frac12A - t)^2(\tan\frac12A + t)^2}\,dt which can be evaluated by partial fractions, and the result Δ + = 1 2 Δ + 1 8 ( b 2 c 2 ) sin A ln ( b + c b c ) \Delta_+ \; = \; \tfrac12\Delta + \tfrac18(b^2-c^2)\sin A\ln\left(\tfrac{b+c}{b-c}\right) can be obtained by slogging through various triangle identities.


All this is not very inspiring. Let us see what is really going on. Note that the perpendicular bisector L \mathcal{L} of B C BC is the locus of points Q Q such that Q C B = Q B C \angle QCB = \angle QBC , and hence the desired locus of points P P such that P B A = P C A \angle PBA = \angle PCA is the isogonal conjugate H \mathcal{H} of L \mathcal{L} , and hence is a circumconic of the triangle A B C ABC . Since the line L \mathcal{L} intersects the circumcircle of A B C ABC in two places, H \mathcal{H} is a hyperbola. Since L \mathcal{L} passes through the circumcentre O O of the triangle A B C ABC , it follows that H \mathcal{H} passes through the isogonal conjugate of O O , namely the orthocentre H H of the triangle A B C ABC . This means, by Feuerbach's Conic Theorem, that H \mathcal{H} is a rectangular hyperbola, whose centre lies on the nine-point circle of A B C ABC . The line L \mathcal{L} has equation ( b 2 c 2 ) a x + a 2 ( b y c z ) = 0 (b^2 - c^2)ax + a^2(by - cz) \; = \; 0 in trilinear coordinates, and hence the hyperbola H \mathcal{H} has equation ( b 2 c 2 ) a y z + a 2 b x z a 2 c x y = 0 (b^2 - c^2)ayz + a^2bxz - a^2cxy \; = \; 0

Using the standard formula for the centre of a circumconic, we deduce that the centre of H \mathcal{H} is the midpoint M M of B C BC . I shall not identify the axes of the hyperbola precisely, since it is not necessary. Let us suppose that the axis system has been found, so that we have an X Y XY -coordinate system with M M at the origin, and that the equation of H \mathcal{H} is X Y = K 2 XY = K^2 for some K > 0 K > 0 , and suppose that B B and A A have coordinates ( U , K 2 U 1 ) (U,K^2U^{-1}) and ( V , K 2 V 1 ) (V,K^2V^{-1}) respectively. Then the area of the small segment of the triangle is Δ = 1 2 ( V U ) ( K 2 U 1 + K 2 V 1 ) U V K 2 X 1 d X = 1 2 ( V U U V ) K 2 K 2 ln ( V U ) \Delta_- \; = \; \tfrac12(V-U)(K^2U^{-1} + K^2V^{-1}) - \int_U^V K^2 X^{-1}\,dX \; = \; \tfrac12\left(\tfrac{V}{U} - \tfrac{U}{V}\right)K^2 - K^2\ln\left(\tfrac{V}{U}\right) Now ( V K 2 V 1 0 ) × ( U K 2 U 1 0 ) = ( 0 0 K 2 ( V U U V ) ) \left(\begin{array}{c} V \\ K^2V^{-1} \\ 0 \end{array}\right) \times \left(\begin{array}{c} U \\ K^2U^{-1} \\ 0 \end{array}\right) \; = \; \left(\begin{array}{c} 0 \\ 0 \\ K^2(\frac{V}{U} - \frac{U}{V}) \end{array}\right)

and hence 1 2 K 2 ( V U U V ) = M B A = 1 2 A B C = 1 2 Δ \tfrac12K^2\left(\tfrac{V}{U} - \tfrac{U}{V}\right) \; = \; |MBA| \; = \; \tfrac12|ABC| \; = \; \tfrac12\Delta where Δ \Delta is the area of the triangle A B C ABC , so that Δ = 1 2 Δ K 2 ln ( V U ) \Delta_- \; = \; \tfrac12\Delta - K^2\ln\left(\tfrac{V}{U}\right) Let D D be the angle B M A \angle BMA , and let d = M A d = MA be the length of the median from A A . Then we have d 2 = 1 2 ( b 2 + c 2 ) 1 4 a 2 d^2 = \tfrac12(b^2+c^2) - \tfrac14a^2 , and hence cos D = d 2 + 1 4 a 2 c 2 a d = b 2 c 2 2 a d \cos D \; = \; \frac{d^2 + \frac14a^2 - c^2}{ad} \; = \; \frac{b^2 - c^2}{2ad} so that K 4 + U 2 V 2 U V = M A M B = 1 2 a d cos D = 1 4 ( b 2 c 2 ) \frac{K^4 + U^2V^2}{UV} \; = \; \overrightarrow{MA} \cdot \overrightarrow{MB} \; = \; \tfrac12ad\cos D \; = \; \tfrac14(b^2 - c^2) while ( V U ) 2 ( K 4 + U 2 V 2 ) U 2 V 2 = A B 2 = c 2 \frac{(V - U)^2(K^4 + U^2V^2)}{U^2V^2} \; = \; AB^2 \; = \; c^2 and hence ( V U U V ) 2 = ( V U ) 2 U V = A B 2 M A M B = 4 c 2 b 2 c 2 \left(\sqrt{\tfrac{V}{U}} - \sqrt{\tfrac{U}{V}}\right)^2 \; = \; \frac{(V-U)^2}{UV} \; = \; \frac{AB^2}{\overrightarrow{MA} \cdot \overrightarrow{MB}} \; = \; \frac{4c^2}{b^2-c^2} which implies that V U = b + c b c \frac{V}{U} \; = \; \frac{b+c}{b-c} Finally we see that V U U V = 4 b c b 2 c 2 \frac{V}{U} - \frac{U}{V} \; = \; \frac{4bc}{b^2-c^2} and hence K 2 = b 2 c 2 4 b c Δ = 1 8 ( b 2 c 2 ) sin A K^2 \; = \; \frac{b^2-c^2}{4bc}\Delta \; =\; \tfrac18(b^2 - c^2)\sin A so that the formula for Δ \Delta_- becomes Δ = 1 2 Δ 1 8 ( b 2 c 2 ) sin A ln ( b + c b c ) \Delta_- \; = \; \tfrac12\Delta - \tfrac18(b^2 - c^2)\sin A \ln\left(\tfrac{b+c}{b-c}\right) What happens when B < C B < C ? In this case the hyperbola is oriented differently, and the portion of the hyperbola that is internal to the triangle is a curve from A A to C C , instead of from A A to B B (see the final diagram). If B = C B=C the hyperbola H \mathcal{H} collapses to the perpendicular bisector L \mathcal{L} of B C BC , dividing the triangle into two triangular regions of equal area 1 2 Δ \tfrac12\Delta .


To answer the problem, we have a = 5 , b = 4 , c = 3 , A = 9 0 a=5\,,\,b=4\,,\,c=3\,,\,A = 90^\circ , so that Δ = 3 7 8 ln 7 \Delta_- = 3 - \tfrac78\ln7 , making the answer 3 + 7 + 8 = 18 3 + 7 + 8 = \boxed{18} .

This is very insightful, thank you!

Digvijay Singh - 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Could you possibly also post a solution to this problem and it's follow-up ? It'd be very helpful.

Digvijay Singh - 10 months, 2 weeks ago

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Why don't you post solutions to the problems yourself?

Atomsky Jahid - 10 months, 1 week ago

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It is not an original problem. I'm curious to know how to work out the sum.

Digvijay Singh - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Digvijay Singh Oh! I think you can indicate the sources in the comment sections at least. It might help others.

Atomsky Jahid - 10 months, 1 week ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Jul 27, 2020

Let A ( 0 , 0 ) A(0,0) , B ( 3 , 0 ) B(3,0) , C ( 0 , 4 ) C(0,4) , P ( x , y ) P(x,y) , and P B A = P C A = θ \angle PBA = \angle PCA = \theta . Then

y 3 x = tan θ = x 4 y 4 y y 2 = 3 x x 2 x 2 y 2 3 x + 4 y = 0 ( x 3 2 ) 2 ( y 2 ) 2 = 9 4 4 = 7 4 y = 2 ( x 3 2 ) 2 + 7 4 \begin{aligned} \frac y{3-x} & = \tan \theta = \frac x{4-y} \\ 4y - y^2 & = 3x - x^2 \\ x^2 - y^2 - 3x + 4 y & = 0 \\ \left(x - \frac 32 \right)^2 - (y-2)^2 & = \frac 94 - 4 = - \frac 74 \\ \implies y & = 2 - \sqrt{\left(x - \frac 32 \right)^2+\frac 74} \end{aligned}

Therefore, the small area is

A = 0 3 y d x = 0 3 ( 2 ( x 3 2 ) 2 + 7 4 ) d x Let sinh t = 2 x 3 7 cosh t d t = 2 7 d x = 2 x 0 3 sinh 1 3 7 sinh 1 3 7 7 4 cosh 2 t d t = 6 7 2 0 sinh 1 3 7 cosh 2 t d t = 6 7 4 0 sinh 1 3 7 ( cosh 2 t + 1 ) d t = 6 7 4 [ sinh 2 t 2 + t ] 0 sinh 1 3 7 = 6 3 7 4 sinh 1 3 7 = 3 7 8 ln 7 \begin{aligned} A & = \int_0^3 y \ dx = \int_0^3 \left(2 - \sqrt{\left(x - \frac 32 \right)^2+\frac 74}\right) dx & \small \blue{\text{Let }\sinh t = \frac {2x-3}{\sqrt 7} \implies \cosh t\ dt = \frac 2{\sqrt 7} dx} \\ & = 2 x \ \bigg|_0^3 - \int_{\sinh^{-1} - \frac 3{\sqrt 7}}^{\sinh^{-1} \frac 3{\sqrt 7}} \frac 74 \cosh^2 t \ dt \\ & = 6 - \frac 7 2 \int_0^{\sinh^{-1} \frac 3{\sqrt 7}} \cosh^2 t \ dt \\ & = 6 - \frac 7 4 \int_0^{\sinh^{-1} \frac 3{\sqrt 7}} (\cosh 2t + 1) \ dt \\ & = 6 - \frac 74 \left[\frac {\sinh 2 t}2 + t \right]_0^{\sinh^{-1} \frac 3{\sqrt 7}} \\ & = 6 - 3 - \frac 74 \sinh^{-1} \frac 3{\sqrt 7} \\ & = 3 - \frac 78 \ln 7 \end{aligned}

Therefore, l + m + n = 3 + 7 + 8 = 18 l + m + n = 3 + 7 + 8 = \boxed{18} .

@Digvijay Singh , thanks for pointing out my mistake.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 10 months, 2 weeks ago

The general expression for the two areas is:

A ± = Δ 2 ± b 2 c 2 sin A 8 ln ( b + c b c ) A_\pm=\dfrac{\Delta}{2}\pm\dfrac{\left|b^2-c^2\right|\sin{A}}{8}\ln\left(\dfrac{b+c}{|b-c|}\right)

where Δ \Delta is the area of the triangle.

Digvijay Singh - 10 months, 2 weeks ago

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Post your solution please. It's a very interesting problem.

A Former Brilliant Member - 10 months, 2 weeks ago

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Have a look at my solution. This formula can be obtained by elementary slog, but also by using isogonal conjugacy.

Mark Hennings - 10 months, 2 weeks ago

Take A A as the origin of coordinates, A C \overline {AC} along the x x -axis, A B \overline {AB} along the y y -axis. Then the locus of P P is

x 2 y 2 4 x + 3 y = 0 x^2-y^2-4x+3y=0

y = 3 + 4 x 2 16 x + 9 2 \implies y=\dfrac {3+\sqrt {4x^2-16x+9}}{2}

The smaller area is

0 4 3 + 4 x 2 16 x + 9 2 d x \displaystyle \int_0^4 \dfrac {3+\sqrt {4x^2-16x+9}}{2}dx

= 3 7 ln 7 8 =3-\dfrac {7\ln 7}{8}

So l = 3 , m = 7 , n = 8 l=3,m=7,n=8 and l + m + n = 18 l+m+n=\boxed {18} .

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