f ( x 4 + y ) = x 3 f ( x ) + f ( f ( y ) )
Let all real-valued functions f on the reals which have at most finitely many zeros and satisfy for all x and y . Find f ( 2 0 1 6 ) .
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OFF TOPIC:Which editor do u use
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What do you mean? I use LaTex here. What graphing software you use?
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I mean, do you type the latex commands on ur own or use some LATEX editor?
First I draw the graph by pen and paper and then use Desmos for illustrating my solution.(I only post the solutions,which can be computed with just Pen,Paper and Scale)
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@Mehul Chaturvedi – No, I don't have any other LaTex editor except using the Brilliant's one here, though I wish I have.
Can't we apply this method of equal degrees of LHS and RHS only to polynomials? But it isn't mentioned in the question that the function is of polynomial form.
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When it is mentioned that it has finite zeros means f ( x ) = ∏ k = 1 n ( x − a k ) .
Thanks, I have changed the solution. This one no assuming it is polynomial.
Doubt: Can't we take x=0 and directly get f(y)=y?
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It must be for all real values of x not just x = 0 .
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Yes. Since 0 comes in the set of real numbers, can't we use it directly?
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@Aditya Kumar – Of course, it gives us the right answer. But it does not conclusively show us that it applies to all x . We are talking about a better solution not just the answer.
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@Chew-Seong Cheong – Thanks for clarifying sir!
You are right. I have changed the solution. This one no assuming it is polynomial.
Who said this is a polynomial function....it may be some like lnx or sinx or e^x then how do u argue on degree??
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It is mention "at most finitely many zeros". I am not claiming my solution is absolute. You can also come up with your solution.
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Yeah I am facing problem.....not got till now
but function having finite roots may not be polynomial I gues??
I have changed the solution. This one no assuming it is polynomial.
This is good and perfect upvoted!!!!
Can't Imagine that it is an APMO Problem.Is it really an apmo problem?But a nice solution indeed.
Putting x = 0 , we get f ( y ) = f ( f ( y ) ) for all y ...........(1).
Putting x = 1 , y = 0 , we get f ( 0 ) = 0 . Hence putting y = 0 , f ( x 4 ) = x 3 f ( x ) ..........(2).
If f ( 1 ) = 0 , then f ( 2 ) = f ( 1 + 1 ) = f ( 1 ) + f ( 1 ) = 0 , so f ( 3 ) = f ( 1 + 2 ) = f ( 1 ) + f ( 2 ) = 0 and so on. Contradiction (only finitely many zeros). So f ( 1 ) = k for some non-zero k . By (1), f ( k ) = k .
Suppose f ( h ) = 0 for some h not 0 or 1 . Then f ( h 4 ) = h 3 f ( h ) = 0 , so f ( x ) = 0 for any of the distinct values x = h , h 4 , h 1 6 , h 6 4 , ... . Contradiction (only finitely many zeros). So f ( h ) is not 0 for any non-zero h .
Given any x , put z = f ( x 4 ) − x 4 . Then f ( x 4 ) = f ( f ( x 4 ) ) = f ( x 4 + z ) = x 3 f ( x ) + f ( z ) . But f ( x 4 ) = x 3 f ( x ) , so f ( z ) = 0 . Hence z = 0 . So for any positive x we have f ( x ) = x . But f ( x 4 ) = f ( ( − x ) 4 ) = − x 3 f ( − x ) . Hence f ( − x ) = − f ( x ) . So f ( x ) = x for all x .
perfect upvotes !!!!
Put X=0 ,remaining expression is f(y)= f(f(y)) From above expression and observation we have f(y)=y
u can never ever say that stuff .... how do u know that the function assume all real values that u r replacing f(x) by x....prove that f(x) is surjective then ur statement may have some merit.
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\(\begin{array} {} P(x,y): & f(x^4+y) = x^3 f(x) + f(f(y)) \\ P(0,y): & f(y) = f(f(y)) & \small \color{blue} \text{Let }f(y) = a \\ & a = f(a) \implies f(x) = x & \small \color{blue} \text{Putting }f(x) = x \text{ in }P(x,y) \\ P(x,y): & f(x^4+y) = x^3 f(x) + f(f(y)) \\ & f(x^4+y) = x^4 + f(y) \\ & f(x^4+y) = x^4 + y & \small \color{blue} \text{Proving that }f(x) = x \end{array} \)
Therefore, f ( 2 0 1 6 ) = 2 0 1 6 .