+ C A A C R R A C C
If C , A , and R are (not necessarily distinct) non-zero digits, what is the 3-digit final sum A R C ?
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why is R + A + C = 10 + C ? why not other multiples of ten?
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The last column \(\begin{array} {} & R \\ & A \\ + & C \\ \hline 1 & C \end{array}\)
Since A , C = 0 , this is the only answer.
R + A > 0 as A > 0 and R > 0 . As A < 1 0 and R < 1 0 , A + R < 2 0 which means A + R = 1 0 .
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But we are adding C too!
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@Rakibul Hossain – Let us have an integer k so that R + A + C = 1 0 k + C . By subtracting C from both sides, we get R + A = 1 0 k . A and R are non-zero digits (integers between 1 and 9) which means 1 ≤ A ≤ 9 and 1 ≤ R ≤ 9 , so we get 2 ≤ A + R ≤ 1 8 . Due to this, 1 is the only possible value for k .
A nice and different approach.
In the 3rd step it appeared initially that you are substituting A+R for R. I see now that you moved over some As to exploit the knowledge you had about A+R=10. Fancy! But maybe give us dummies a break and explain that step.
I like these types of problems. Any idea on what they're called so I could search up some more?
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Look under the topic Logic. This type of problems are call cryptograms.
@Chew-Seong Cheong Thanks!
How u got the 1st line eqn
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C A R + C A + C = A R C gives ( 1 0 0 C + 1 0 A + R ) + ( 1 0 C + A ) + C = 1 0 0 A + 1 0 R + C which gives the first line.
From the ones column, we get A + R = 1 0 . Now 1 is the carrying digit of ones row.
Thus, we get from the tens column A + C + 1 = R or A + C + 1 = 1 0 + R .
From the hundreds column we get:
If A + C + 1 = R , A = C . As A + R = 1 0 we get A + C + 1 = 1 0 − A and 2 A + C + 1 = 1 0
If A + C + 1 = 1 0 + R , A = C + 1 . As A + R = 1 0 we get A + C + 1 = 2 0 − A and 2 A + C + 1 = 2 0
This means, either of the following statements holds true:
A = C and 3 A + 1 = 1 0
OR
A = C + 1 and 3 A = 2 0
As 3 doesn't divide 20, there's no solution to the second case. In the first case, we get A = 3 and thus C = 3
From A + R = 1 0 we get R + 3 = 1 0 and R = 7 .
By checking, we get 3 3 7 + 3 3 + 3 = 3 7 3 . As C = 3 , A = 3 , R = 7 is the only possible solution, the answer is 3 7 3 .
It has always been tacitly assumed that different letters stood for different numbers. In this context, there is no solution to this problem. Ed Gray
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When problems like this require the letters to have distinct values, that requirement is made explicit. "Tacit assumptions" have no place in mathematics.
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True. I made that assumption at first and followed it to the mathematical conclusion that it was impossible, ergo, there was a problem with the logic I applied to the problem. At that point, a re-read of the question revealed where I had used biased thinking (i.e. this kind of problems "usually" use different variables) instead of understanding exactly what was asked.
Every time I've seen the assumption of different letters standing for different numbers, it has been mentioned. But I'll fix the problem a bit and mention that there can be two same letters.
EDIT: Oh, I can't edit this problem for some reason. Maybe it's because it's already a part of a problem set.
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Leave it as it is. It makes what otherwise would be a very straightforward problem a bit trickier.
Tamo, thanks for trying, Ed Gray
Agree totally with Edwin Gray.....back to the drawing board Tamo!
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Hey, I would like to edit the problem so it would be clear for everyone that the digits can be same. However, I can't edit this problem for some reason, maybe it's because it has been added to a problem set.
I tend to agree that this problem should state explicitly that the three numbers, represented by three distinct letters, are not necessarily distinct numbers. This problem strikes me as unnecessarily deceptive and misleading. I used all the same reasoning and equations as the solution --BUT with the assumption that the numbers were distinct; and there was no solution in that case.
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I am sorry but it is not the problem maker's business to account for your assumptions to make it as easy as possible for you. I, too, made the assumption at first, but when I realized that it would have no possible solution and re-read the problem, I was made aware of my assumptive thinking and reformulated. That is a /good/ thing and, in fact, I thought that it had been done so on purpose, as this website often promotes logical analysis and lateral thinking in addition to hard maths.
How can you be sure that A+R=10 it can be 20 too!
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No, it can't because A and R are digits (integers) between 1 and 9. So A ≤ 9 and B ≤ 9 which means A + B ≤ 9 + 9 = 1 8 < 2 0 .
This took me awhile to solve. I did not like the fact that they used two different variables for the same number.
I initially thought C + 1 = A and A + C + 1 = 1 0 + R and that R + A = 1 0
These were my three equations I used and set up a system of equations
The answers I got, after trying multiple methods of solving, were not integers. So I reexamined the equations
I went back and realized that R + A = 1 0 has to be true.
There is no other way of getting C in the ones place with C being one of the digits added to it. As long as the other digits are non-zero
I next went back to reexamine A + C + 1 = 1 0 + R
A + C + 1 has to be true because since the ones place give us something higher than 1 0 we have to carry the 1 over to the tens place
However getting 1 0 + R as a result does not have to be the case if C = A
This would mean that A + C + 1 = R and that nothing carries over to the hundreds place
So now that I modified the equations to: C = A ,
A + C + 1 = R , and
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the system of equations could be modified to
A + A + 1 = R
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R + A = 1 0
if 2 A + 1 = R and A + R = 1 0 then A + ( 2 A + 1 ) = 1 0
3 A + 1 = 1 0
3 A = 9
A = 3 , R = 7 , C = 3
Nice job on showing the steps of how to figure out the solution. That's really helpful
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Yep. The explanation is helpful. Could you clarify where you said A + C + 1 = R +10 unless A = C . That would be true if A and C were greater than or equal to 5. But less than that and R will still be positive?
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I'm not sure I understand what you are asking in regards to the numbers being positive, however I will try to clarify why I made these assumptions.
Since we get a number greater than 10 in the ones place, we must add that 1 in the tens place. That gives us A + C +1. Looking ahead to the hundreds place, C being by itself and A being what it result too, my first assumption was that, if 1 is being carried over from the tens place, then C+1= A must be true. Since C+1 ≠ A, that means nothing carries over from the tens place. This means that when adding all the digits from the tens place, our result has to be < 10. So A + C + 1 = R
I hope that helped.
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@Cordell Booth – It did. Very many thanks for the clear and terse words. It is truly a talent.
Yeah, I neither liked that. But I had to make a little mistake to realize C = A
From the ones column R + A + C = (10s digit) + C . Subtracting C on both sides, R + A = (10s digit) , which implies (since only two digits are being added) that R + A = 1 0 .
This means the tens column has a carry of 1.
Suppose C = A , so we know there is a carry digit of 1 from the tens column.
Combining this information and subtracting C from both sides of the addition leaves us with:
+ 1 C A 1 A C R R A 0
This gives us the equations 1 + C = A , 1 + A + C = 1 0 + R , and R + A = 1 0 . Doing some substitution leads to the equation 2 A = 1 0 + 1 0 − A which reduces to 3 A = 2 0 . Since A is an integer, this is impossible, and our supposition that C = A is incorrect.
So C = A :
+ C C 1 C C R R C 0
This implies 1 + C + C = R and R + C = 1 0 . Substitution implies 1 + C + C + C = 1 0 , or 3 C = 9 . So C = 3 , A = 3 , and (using R + C = 1 0 again) R = 7 .
This is the best solution
0 < A , C , R < 1 0
From the first column :
We have R + A + C < 1 0 or R + A + C > 1 0
So R + A + C > 1 0 ⟹ R + A + C = 1 0 q + C ⇔ R + A = 1 0 q , q = 1 o r q = 2
Now A + C + q > 1 0 or A + C + q < 1 0
⎩ ⎨ ⎧ R + A = 1 0 q A + C + q = 1 0 + R C + 1 = A ⟹ 2 C + q − 9 + A = 1 0 q ⟹ 3 A = 9 q − 1 1 , { 3 A = − 2 i f q = 1 3 A = 7 i f q = 2 Impossible
So A + C + q < 1 0
And we wloud have :
{ 3 A = 9 i f q = 1 ⟹ A = 3 3 A = 1 8 i f q = 2 ⟹ A = 6 ⟹ C = 6 , R = 2 0 − 6 = 1 4 : i m p o s s i b l e
So : ⎩ ⎨ ⎧ R + A = 1 0 A + C + 1 = R C = A = 3 ⟹ A = 3 , C = 3 , R = 7 , A R C = 3 7 3
Nice to see a solution where all posibilities are covered.
From the above information, we get three important equations: First: 110C = 89 A + 9R (From 111C + 11A + R = 100A + 10R + C) Second: R+A = 10 or R = 10 - A Thrid: A+C+1=R
From Second and Third, we get: A+C+1 = 10 - A and therefore, C= 9 - 2A.
Now, let's substitute C and R with As and we get:
110 (9 - 2A) = 89A + 9 (10 - A)
Then we get: 990 - 220A = 89A + 90 - 9A Then we get: 900 = 300A Finally: A = 3, therefore R= 7, therefore, C= 3
I created a python code which checked every possible solution after i couldn't figure it out after 5 minutes of trying. (Yes i gave up quick xD still didnt look at the answer after i got it.) https://pastebin.com/76sRZWV0
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Great job on using programming to solve this puzzle.
Follow Up Question: How would you have managed this if you needed to check for 10 variables instead of 3? Is there a way to generalize the 3 loops?
I added the code to the answer since it wasn't long, and people on the mobile app aren't likely to do the work to cut and paste a URL in their browser.
Thanks Jason I appreciate it!
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The sum is as follows:
1 1 1 C + 1 1 A + R 1 1 0 C ⟹ 1 1 C 1 1 C − 9 3 3 − 9 ⟹ A ⟹ R = 1 0 0 A + 1 0 R + C = 8 9 A + 9 R = 8 0 A + 9 A + 9 R = 8 0 A + 9 ( A + R ) = 8 0 A + 9 0 = 8 A + 9 = 8 A = 8 A = 3 = 1 0 − A = 7 Last column: R + A + C = 1 0 + C ⟹ A + R = 1 0 Since 8 A is even and > 0 , C must be odd and > 1 No integer solution other than C = 3
⟹ A R C = 3 7 3 .