Area Problem 4

Geometry Level 2

In the diagram, A , B , C , A, B, C, and D D are concyclic points.

What is the area of the green triangle A P B , APB, given the areas of the three other colored regions?

S Δ A P D = 27 S C P D Q = 37 S Δ B P C = 12 S Δ A P B = ? \begin{aligned} \color{#D61F06}S_{\Delta APD}&=27\\ \color{#69047E}S_{CPDQ}&=37\\ \color{#3D99F6}S_{\Delta BPC}&=12\\ \color{#20A900}S_{\Delta APB}&=\ ? \end{aligned}


Bonus : The four points need not to be concyclic; solve it without this information.


The answer is 36.

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7 solutions

Albert Yiyi
Oct 2, 2018

hint1: Δ A P D Δ B P C D P C P = A P B P = 27 12 = 3 2 \Delta APD \sim \Delta BPC \implies \frac{DP}{CP} = \frac{AP}{BP} = \sqrt{\frac{27}{12}} = \frac{3}{2}

hint2: Δ A C Q Δ B D Q A C B D = 27 + 37 12 + 37 = 8 7 \Delta ACQ \sim \Delta BDQ \implies \frac{AC}{BD} = \sqrt{\frac{27+37}{12+37}} = \frac{8}{7}

hint3: A P : B P : C P : D P = 6 : 4 : 2 : 3 AP:BP:CP:DP = 6:4:2:3

hint4: S Δ A P D S Δ A P B = D P B P or S Δ A P B S Δ B P C = A P C P \frac{S_{\Delta APD}}{S_{\Delta APB}} = \frac{DP}{BP} \quad \text{or} \quad \frac{S_{\Delta APB}}{S_{\Delta BPC}} = \frac{AP}{CP}

Nani?????!!!!!

Alfred Jill - 2 years, 7 months ago

Wow thats really confusing?

Mikeh Lol - 2 years, 7 months ago

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this is just a hint (because im lazy)

someone wrote the full working where u can try to understand, others use a completely different solution

albert yiyi - 2 years, 7 months ago

Hi, so I solved this problem, but I am not sure if its really correct work so I will start explaining what I did first I knew that line DB is perpendicular to line AC then I also knew that the area of what we were trying to find was A= AP PB/2 I also knew that AP PC = PB PD AP PD/2= 27 PC PB/2= 12 so I solved each variable and plugged it into the area equation and got A = ((PB PD)(AP PC)/(PD PC))/2 SO I substituted values in once again got A=((54 24)/(PC PD))/2 we know that AREA of triangle PCD will equal (PC PD)/2 so A=((1296)/2(PD DC)) so let APDC denote the area of triangle 36 APDC=(PD DC)/2 so 2(PD DC) is 4 times that

so here is where I am trying to figure out if this is right logic and if so is there a proof on this. SO I notice that triangles PCB and PDA share a side with PCD So they should form ratios with their sides and stuff and since A is in m squared I will take the square root of the areas and divide their product by 2 to get APDC. so sqrt(12) sqrt(27)/2= 9 and thus APDC= 9 and 2(PD DC) is 4 times APDC so it equals 36 so plug this back in to that equation A=(1296/36) this means A= 36

I really don't think this is right logic but it worked so Id like a reason as to why this is a wrong way to approach this problem

Andrew Cook - 2 years, 7 months ago

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"DB is perpendicular to line AC" is not given, but the surprising fact that the ratio of area is unchanged, each area differ by a factor of sin θ \theta

we can then "stretch" the whole diagram so that the area match the given data. the area of same color are all equal.

this method is useful in some math competition.

albert yiyi - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Oh I thought if the points are con cyclic, then those lines were perpendicular. I couldn't remember much of geometry, but thanks I am going to try to solve it your way some time

Andrew Cook - 2 years, 7 months ago

thats actually really cool thanks I will keep this in mind

Andrew Cook - 2 years, 7 months ago

what a boring way to solve this intricating problem?????

KEndrick coios - 2 years, 7 months ago

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thanks for the compliment ;)

albert yiyi - 2 years, 7 months ago

@Albert Lau why cant u just solve like @Jack Pieter did ? His way is way faster than yours

Leon Cair - 2 years, 7 months ago

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some prefer the journey over the destination ; )

albert yiyi - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Is it just an excuse because u are unable to come up with a solution as elegant as @Jack Pieters / @Jack Pieter?(no offence though)

Adrian Hwang - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Adrian Hwang oops, alright, u got me ; )

hope u feel happy about that, kid. have a nice day.

albert yiyi - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Albert Yiyi @Adrian Hwang , please have some respect towards other people perspective each of us think differently ,his way of approach may differ from mine and I got no problem with it as long as we can both get to the final answer.

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Jack Pieters I have question where did you get the 6's. I would love to know

Andrew Cook - 2 years, 7 months ago

Hey,ur solution is nice. Can u help me understand Jack's solution??

Mr. India - 2 years, 7 months ago

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its just a joke solution, or an elegant solution but im an idiot for thinking that its a joke.

probably the former.

albert yiyi - 2 years, 7 months ago

I will give you the answer that is:36

Aqil Haziq - 2 years, 1 month ago
Jack Pieter
Oct 17, 2018

1x6x6 :36 since, sin90 is 1.

So simple yet so amazing!

Jddjjdkd Jdjdjdkd - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Thank you !!!!!!

Jack Pieter - 2 years, 7 months ago

Fantastic solution!

Alfred Jill - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks, i hope you like it

Jack Pieter - 2 years, 7 months ago

So simple!!!!

Mikeh Lol - 2 years, 7 months ago

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:))))))))))))))))

Jack Pieter - 2 years, 7 months ago

such a simple solution to a complex answer...bravo!

Alfred Francis - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Yeah , what a genius!

Kekksksks Kdskdkdkdk - 2 years, 7 months ago

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cant believe it has this few upvotes

Alfred Francis - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Alfred Francis Pls tell from where 6×6 came.

Mr. India - 2 years, 7 months ago

Thank you!

Jack Pieter - 2 years, 7 months ago

Nice solution! I did it using your way too XD

Emma Kenri - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Same as me !

Paulie Kyle - 2 years, 7 months ago

Glad we think alike!

Jack Pieter - 2 years, 7 months ago

Elegant solution! keep it up!

Jean Le Cheau - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Thank you!

Jack Pieter - 2 years, 7 months ago

wow so smart

brian coios - 2 years, 7 months ago

i cant believe its actually true......

chris weber - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Yeah me too

Jack Pieter - 2 years, 7 months ago

sharp mind

kevin rogers - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Pls tell from how 6 ×6 came

Mr. India - 2 years, 7 months ago

I can't believe it's so simple, if you'd like, I want to invite you to Harvard business School. I scout young talents from different countries across the world. If you're interested, please send an email to ken.henry@harvarduniversity.net

henry ken - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Cause you can't think it

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Please dont be salty, different people have different mind, if u can't think of it , it doesnt mean other people can’t think of it. @Prithwish Guha

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

Thank you for your invitation mr.ken, currently i am enrolled in Stanford, if there is a change in mind i will surely contact you!

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

amazing talented individual

johnson boris - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Thank you so much!

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

well I can't understand your solution. Pls somebody explain it to me.

양 우진 - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Its actually really simple, using basic Intuition u realise that the length is 6 and 6 and sin90 is 1!

Leon Cair - 2 years, 7 months ago

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What is the basic intuition?

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago

Explain it

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago

And prove it

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago

No sir that's not so simple

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago

Well done!

Brian Wibowo - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Not done yet

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago

Fantastic! Other solution are just too long!

Leon Cair - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Thank you!

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

Hello guys i am going to reply you on this new account as i just lost my old account thank you!

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

Give us a solution not a answer😠

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago

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🤗🤗🤗🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

No one says that is 90°

Prithwish Guha - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Hello! @Prithwish Guha , thats the full working for the following answer u just have to look closely enough ! Have a nice day!

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

@Prithwish Guha , look closely its very obvious its 90 degree...

Adrian Hwang - 2 years, 7 months ago

Wow amazing solution! At the first glance I am confused too but i quickly realised that it totally make sense! Danke Dir!

Klause Can - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Kein Problem,Mister

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

Quick , Easy and Elegant! Bravo! Keep up the good work!

Adrian Hwang - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Thank you very much for your sincere compliment!

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

the sides are 9 buy 8 hyp=12.041 where do you get 6 x 6 =36?

Steven Bradeen - 2 years, 7 months ago

Even if the lengths AP and PB are both 6, and angle APB is 90, the triangle APB would have an area of 18. What am I missing?

Abraham Zhang - 2 years, 7 months ago

Maybe your solution is really elegant, but could you explain it a little bit more? I don't even see where 6 x 6 comes from; maybe from 12?

Henry U - 2 years, 7 months ago

I can't understand it,but i really want to know how the elegant proof works.Can you explain it?

zhihao luo - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Yes pls explain

Mr. India - 2 years, 7 months ago

I also want an explanation. Where do the 6's come from? What angle measures 90 degrees in the diagram?

Zain Majumder - 2 years, 7 months ago

Can you prove that the central angle is 90?

megha jogi - 2 years, 7 months ago

I'm not sure, if this is really the answer to all the questions one might have on the way to the solution or you are just trolling around. I installed this app to improve my math skills but it seems, that was an illusion.

DI Wald - 2 years, 7 months ago

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i would recommend starting with simpler questions first, before moving onto more complex questions with solutions you can't comprehend?

Jack Pieters - 2 years, 7 months ago

Im confuse and amazed!

Lim Kuan - 2 years, 7 months ago

Troll.

Can someone just remove this answer from here or downvote it?

P S - 2 years, 6 months ago

Really dumb or explain from where those two 6 came from

Akshay D Naik - 2 years, 5 months ago

This app is a platform to solve math problems or learn how to solve, not to write absurd answers, I am wondering why some users admired this kind of insane solution.

Roozbeh Ashrafian - 1 year ago
Ka Fai Un
Oct 16, 2018

A P D B P C \triangle APD \sim \triangle BPC

A P D B P C \rightarrow \frac{\triangle APD}{\triangle BPC} = 27 12 \frac{27}{12} = 9 4 \frac{9}{4}

A P B P \rightarrow \frac{AP}{BP} = D P C P \frac{DP}{CP} = A D B C \frac{AD}{BC} = 3 2 \frac{3}{2}

A C Q B D Q \triangle ACQ \sim \triangle BDQ

A C Q B D Q \rightarrow \frac{\triangle ACQ}{\triangle BDQ } = 27 + 37 12 + 37 \frac{27+37}{12+37} = 64 49 \frac{64}{49}

A C B D \rightarrow \frac{AC}{BD} = A Q B Q \frac{AQ}{BQ} = C Q D Q \frac{CQ}{DQ} = 8 7 \frac{8}{7}

Then we can find AD:DQ:CQ = 9:7:8 and AP:DP = 2:1

Also, A P B D P C \triangle APB \sim \triangle DPC

A P B D P C = 4 \rightarrow \frac{\triangle APB}{\triangle DPC} = 4

Let AQ = 9a, then DQ = 7a, CQ = 8a

A C Q = 1 2 ( 7 a + 9 a ) ( 8 a ) sin Q = 27 + 37 \triangle ACQ = \frac{1}{2}(7a+9a)(8a) \sin \angle Q = 27 + 37

a 2 sin Q = 1 \rightarrow a^2 \sin \angle Q = 1

C D Q = 1 2 ( 7 a ) ( 8 a ) sin Q = 28 \triangle CDQ = \frac{1}{2}(7a)(8a) \sin \angle Q = 28

D P C = 37 28 = 9 \triangle DPC = 37-28 = 9

A P B = 4 D P C = 36 \triangle APB = 4 \triangle DPC = 36

X X
Oct 6, 2018

Connect P Q PQ .

a + b = 37 a+b=37

We have x : 12 = ( 27 + a ) : b x:12=(27+a):b and x : 27 = ( 12 + b ) : a x:27=(12+b):a

x : 108 = ( 27 + a ) : 9 b = ( 12 + b ) : 4 a x:108=(27+a):9b=(12+b):4a

Using 108 a + 4 a 2 = 108 b + 9 b 2 108a+4a^2=108b+9b^2 and a + b = 37 a+b=37 ,

we get a = 21 , b = 16 a=21,b=16 .

Putting back and get x = 36 x=36

Hey! You left out the circle! !! Where's the circle going through those 4 points?

Michael Mendrin - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Because it need not to be cyclic, so I ignored it.

X X - 2 years, 7 months ago

How do we get a and b?

Mr. India - 2 years, 7 months ago
David Vreken
Oct 5, 2018

Angles subtended by the same arc at the circumference are congruent, so A D B = A C B \angle ADB = \angle ACB and D A C = D B C \angle DAC = \angle DBC . This makes A P D B P C \triangle APD \sim \triangle BPC by AA similarity, and since their areas are 27 27 and 12 12 respectively, the ratio of their sides is 27 12 = 3 2 \sqrt{\frac{27}{12}} = \frac{3}{2} , so A P = 3 2 B P AP = \frac{3}{2}BP and D P = 3 2 C P DP = \frac{3}{2}CP .

Also, A Q C B P C \triangle AQC \sim \triangle BPC by AA similarity, and since their areas are 27 + 37 = 64 27 + 37 = 64 and 12 + 37 = 49 12 + 37 = 49 respectively, the ratio of their sides is 64 49 = 8 7 \sqrt{\frac{64}{49}} = \frac{8}{7} , so A C = 8 7 B D AC = \frac{8}{7}BD .

Since A C = A P + C P AC = AP + CP and B D = D P + B P BD = DP + BP , A C = 8 7 B D AC = \frac{8}{7}BD becomes A P + C P = 8 7 ( D P + B P ) AP + CP = \frac{8}{7}(DP + BP) or 3 2 B P + C P = 8 7 ( 3 2 C P + B P ) \frac{3}{2}BP + CP = \frac{8}{7}(\frac{3}{2}CP + BP) , which simplifies to B P = 2 C P BP = 2CP . Since A P = 3 2 B P AP = \frac{3}{2}BP , A P = 3 C P AP = 3CP .

The area of B P C \triangle BPC is S B P C = 1 2 C P B P sin B P C = 12 S_{\triangle BPC} = \frac{1}{2} \cdot CP \cdot BP \cdot \sin \angle BPC = 12 , and since B P = 2 C P BP = 2CP , this means C P 2 sin B P C = 12 CP^2 \sin \angle BPC = 12 .

The area of A P B \triangle APB is S A P B = 1 2 B P A P sin ( 180 ° B P C ) S_{\triangle APB} = \frac{1}{2} \cdot BP \cdot AP \cdot \sin (180° - \angle BPC) , and since B P = 2 C P BP = 2CP and A P = 3 C P AP = 3CP and sin ( 180 ° x ) = sin x \sin (180° - x) = \sin x , S A P B = 3 C P 2 sin B P C S_{\triangle APB} = 3 \cdot CP^2 \cdot \sin \angle BPC , and since C P 2 sin B P C = 12 CP^2 \sin \angle BPC = 12 , S A P B = 3 12 = 36 S_{\triangle APB} = 3 \cdot 12 = \boxed{36} .

After getting AP = 3CP you missed the obvious. Triangles APB and CPB have areas in the same ratio as AP to CP as the perpendicular from B to AC is common and area is base times perpendicular height/2. This leads to the area being 36.

Allan Smith - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Oh yes, very nice! Thanks for sharing!

David Vreken - 2 years, 7 months ago

Ajit Athle
Oct 8, 2018

Let us denote Area APD = x, Area APB = y, Area BPC = z and Area Tr. ABQ = L.Then without using the fact that A,B,C,D are cyclic, we can use the Ladder Theorem which say that: 1 L \frac{1}{L} + 1 y \frac{1}{y} = 1 x + y \frac{1}{x+y} + 1 y + z \frac{1}{y+z} In the present case, x=27, z=12 and L= 39+37+y and thus, 1 76 + y \frac{1}{76+y} + 1 y \frac{1}{y} = 1 27 + y \frac{1}{27+y} + 1 y + 12 \frac{1}{y+12} which yields: y=36 as the only admissible value. Actually I used Menelaus's Theorem and arrived at: Area (CPDQ) = x z ( x + 2 y + z ) ( y ² z x ) \frac{xz(x+2y+z)}{(y²-zx)} which also yields y=36 and thus the two results should be equivalent. In addition, we can say that unless y²>zx, such a configuration is impossible.

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