In the diagram, A , B , C , and D are concyclic points.
What is the area of the green triangle A P B , given the areas of the three other colored regions?
S Δ A P D S C P D Q S Δ B P C S Δ A P B = 2 7 = 3 7 = 1 2 = ?
Bonus : The four points need not to be concyclic; solve it without this information.
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Nani?????!!!!!
Wow thats really confusing?
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this is just a hint (because im lazy)
someone wrote the full working where u can try to understand, others use a completely different solution
Hi, so I solved this problem, but I am not sure if its really correct work so I will start explaining what I did first I knew that line DB is perpendicular to line AC then I also knew that the area of what we were trying to find was A= AP PB/2 I also knew that AP PC = PB PD AP PD/2= 27 PC PB/2= 12 so I solved each variable and plugged it into the area equation and got A = ((PB PD)(AP PC)/(PD PC))/2 SO I substituted values in once again got A=((54 24)/(PC PD))/2 we know that AREA of triangle PCD will equal (PC PD)/2 so A=((1296)/2(PD DC)) so let APDC denote the area of triangle 36 APDC=(PD DC)/2 so 2(PD DC) is 4 times that
so here is where I am trying to figure out if this is right logic and if so is there a proof on this. SO I notice that triangles PCB and PDA share a side with PCD So they should form ratios with their sides and stuff and since A is in m squared I will take the square root of the areas and divide their product by 2 to get APDC. so sqrt(12) sqrt(27)/2= 9 and thus APDC= 9 and 2(PD DC) is 4 times APDC so it equals 36 so plug this back in to that equation A=(1296/36) this means A= 36
I really don't think this is right logic but it worked so Id like a reason as to why this is a wrong way to approach this problem
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"DB is perpendicular to line AC" is not given, but the surprising fact that the ratio of area is unchanged, each area differ by a factor of sin θ
we can then "stretch" the whole diagram so that the area match the given data.
the area of same color are all equal.this method is useful in some math competition.
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Oh I thought if the points are con cyclic, then those lines were perpendicular. I couldn't remember much of geometry, but thanks I am going to try to solve it your way some time
thats actually really cool thanks I will keep this in mind
what a boring way to solve this intricating problem?????
@Albert Lau why cant u just solve like @Jack Pieter did ? His way is way faster than yours
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some prefer the journey over the destination ; )
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Is it just an excuse because u are unable to come up with a solution as elegant as @Jack Pieters / @Jack Pieter?(no offence though)
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@Adrian Hwang – oops, alright, u got me ; )
hope u feel happy about that, kid. have a nice day.
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@Albert Yiyi – @Adrian Hwang , please have some respect towards other people perspective each of us think differently ,his way of approach may differ from mine and I got no problem with it as long as we can both get to the final answer.
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@Jack Pieters – I have question where did you get the 6's. I would love to know
Hey,ur solution is nice. Can u help me understand Jack's solution??
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its just a joke solution, or an elegant solution but im an idiot for thinking that its a joke.
probably the former.
I will give you the answer that is:36
1x6x6 :36 since, sin90 is 1.
So simple yet so amazing!
Fantastic solution!
So simple!!!!
such a simple solution to a complex answer...bravo!
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Yeah , what a genius!
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cant believe it has this few upvotes
Thank you!
Nice solution! I did it using your way too XD
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Same as me !
Glad we think alike!
Elegant solution! keep it up!
wow so smart
i cant believe its actually true......
sharp mind
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Cause you can't think it
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Please dont be salty, different people have different mind, if u can't think of it , it doesnt mean other people can’t think of it. @Prithwish Guha
Thank you for your invitation mr.ken, currently i am enrolled in Stanford, if there is a change in mind i will surely contact you!
amazing talented individual
well I can't understand your solution. Pls somebody explain it to me.
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Its actually really simple, using basic Intuition u realise that the length is 6 and 6 and sin90 is 1!
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What is the basic intuition?
Explain it
And prove it
No sir that's not so simple
Well done!
Fantastic! Other solution are just too long!
Hello guys i am going to reply you on this new account as i just lost my old account thank you!
Give us a solution not a answer😠
No one says that is 90°
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Hello! @Prithwish Guha , thats the full working for the following answer u just have to look closely enough ! Have a nice day!
@Prithwish Guha , look closely its very obvious its 90 degree...
Wow amazing solution! At the first glance I am confused too but i quickly realised that it totally make sense! Danke Dir!
Quick , Easy and Elegant! Bravo! Keep up the good work!
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Thank you very much for your sincere compliment!
the sides are 9 buy 8 hyp=12.041 where do you get 6 x 6 =36?
Even if the lengths AP and PB are both 6, and angle APB is 90, the triangle APB would have an area of 18. What am I missing?
Maybe your solution is really elegant, but could you explain it a little bit more? I don't even see where 6 x 6 comes from; maybe from 12?
I can't understand it,but i really want to know how the elegant proof works.Can you explain it?
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Yes pls explain
I also want an explanation. Where do the 6's come from? What angle measures 90 degrees in the diagram?
Can you prove that the central angle is 90?
I'm not sure, if this is really the answer to all the questions one might have on the way to the solution or you are just trolling around. I installed this app to improve my math skills but it seems, that was an illusion.
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i would recommend starting with simpler questions first, before moving onto more complex questions with solutions you can't comprehend?
Im confuse and amazed!
Really dumb or explain from where those two 6 came from
This app is a platform to solve math problems or learn how to solve, not to write absurd answers, I am wondering why some users admired this kind of insane solution.
△ A P D ∼ △ B P C
→ △ B P C △ A P D = 1 2 2 7 = 4 9
→ B P A P = C P D P = B C A D = 2 3
△ A C Q ∼ △ B D Q
→ △ B D Q △ A C Q = 1 2 + 3 7 2 7 + 3 7 = 4 9 6 4
→ B D A C = B Q A Q = D Q C Q = 7 8
Then we can find AD:DQ:CQ = 9:7:8 and AP:DP = 2:1
Also, △ A P B ∼ △ D P C
→ △ D P C △ A P B = 4
Let AQ = 9a, then DQ = 7a, CQ = 8a
△ A C Q = 2 1 ( 7 a + 9 a ) ( 8 a ) sin ∠ Q = 2 7 + 3 7
→ a 2 sin ∠ Q = 1
△ C D Q = 2 1 ( 7 a ) ( 8 a ) sin ∠ Q = 2 8
△ D P C = 3 7 − 2 8 = 9
△ A P B = 4 △ D P C = 3 6
Connect P Q .
a + b = 3 7
We have x : 1 2 = ( 2 7 + a ) : b and x : 2 7 = ( 1 2 + b ) : a
x : 1 0 8 = ( 2 7 + a ) : 9 b = ( 1 2 + b ) : 4 a
Using 1 0 8 a + 4 a 2 = 1 0 8 b + 9 b 2 and a + b = 3 7 ,
we get a = 2 1 , b = 1 6 .
Putting back and get x = 3 6
Hey! You left out the circle! !! Where's the circle going through those 4 points?
How do we get a and b?
Angles subtended by the same arc at the circumference are congruent, so ∠ A D B = ∠ A C B and ∠ D A C = ∠ D B C . This makes △ A P D ∼ △ B P C by AA similarity, and since their areas are 2 7 and 1 2 respectively, the ratio of their sides is 1 2 2 7 = 2 3 , so A P = 2 3 B P and D P = 2 3 C P .
Also, △ A Q C ∼ △ B P C by AA similarity, and since their areas are 2 7 + 3 7 = 6 4 and 1 2 + 3 7 = 4 9 respectively, the ratio of their sides is 4 9 6 4 = 7 8 , so A C = 7 8 B D .
Since A C = A P + C P and B D = D P + B P , A C = 7 8 B D becomes A P + C P = 7 8 ( D P + B P ) or 2 3 B P + C P = 7 8 ( 2 3 C P + B P ) , which simplifies to B P = 2 C P . Since A P = 2 3 B P , A P = 3 C P .
The area of △ B P C is S △ B P C = 2 1 ⋅ C P ⋅ B P ⋅ sin ∠ B P C = 1 2 , and since B P = 2 C P , this means C P 2 sin ∠ B P C = 1 2 .
The area of △ A P B is S △ A P B = 2 1 ⋅ B P ⋅ A P ⋅ sin ( 1 8 0 ° − ∠ B P C ) , and since B P = 2 C P and A P = 3 C P and sin ( 1 8 0 ° − x ) = sin x , S △ A P B = 3 ⋅ C P 2 ⋅ sin ∠ B P C , and since C P 2 sin ∠ B P C = 1 2 , S △ A P B = 3 ⋅ 1 2 = 3 6 .
After getting AP = 3CP you missed the obvious. Triangles APB and CPB have areas in the same ratio as AP to CP as the perpendicular from B to AC is common and area is base times perpendicular height/2. This leads to the area being 36.
Let us denote Area APD = x, Area APB = y, Area BPC = z and Area Tr. ABQ = L.Then without using the fact that A,B,C,D are cyclic, we can use the Ladder Theorem which say that: L 1 + y 1 = x + y 1 + y + z 1 In the present case, x=27, z=12 and L= 39+37+y and thus, 7 6 + y 1 + y 1 = 2 7 + y 1 + y + 1 2 1 which yields: y=36 as the only admissible value. Actually I used Menelaus's Theorem and arrived at: Area (CPDQ) = ( y ² − z x ) x z ( x + 2 y + z ) which also yields y=36 and thus the two results should be equivalent. In addition, we can say that unless y²>zx, such a configuration is impossible.
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hint1: Δ A P D ∼ Δ B P C ⟹ C P D P = B P A P = 1 2 2 7 = 2 3
hint2: Δ A C Q ∼ Δ B D Q ⟹ B D A C = 1 2 + 3 7 2 7 + 3 7 = 7 8
hint3: A P : B P : C P : D P = 6 : 4 : 2 : 3
hint4: S Δ A P B S Δ A P D = B P D P or S Δ B P C S Δ A P B = C P A P