As easy as a, b, c, d?

Geometry Level 3

If ( a , 1 a ) , ( b , 1 b ) , ( c , 1 c ) \left(a,\dfrac{1}{a}\right),\left(b,\dfrac{1}{b}\right),\left(c,\dfrac{1}{c}\right) and ( d , 1 d ) \left(d,\dfrac{1}{d}\right) are four distinct points on a circle of radius 4 units, then find the value of a b c d abcd .


The answer is 1.

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5 solutions

Guilherme Niedu
Aug 24, 2016

All points are in the form ( x , 1 / x ) (x, 1/x) , i.e., for all points, x 2 + 1 x 2 = 4 2 x^2 + \frac{1}{x^2} = 4^2 , or x 4 16 x 2 + 1 = 0 x^4 - 16x^2 + 1 = 0 .

By Vieta, the product of all four roots a , b , c , d a, b, c, d is 1 \fbox{1}

The circle isn't necessarily the unit circle.

Ivan Koswara - 4 years, 9 months ago

Didn't say so. I considered 4 units as radius

Guilherme Niedu - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Whoops, sorry; I meant the circle is not necessarily centered on the origin.

Ivan Koswara - 4 years, 9 months ago

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I can define the origin of my coordinate system as the center of the circle

Guilherme Niedu - 4 years, 9 months ago

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@Guilherme Niedu But then your four points are not in the form ( x , 1 / x ) (x, 1/x) .

Ivan Koswara - 4 years, 9 months ago
Anurag Pandey
Aug 27, 2016

Let the centre of the circle be ( g , f ) . (-g , -f). Now we have points ( a , 1 a ) , ( b , 1 b ) , ( c , 1 c ) a n d ( d , 1 d ) (a , \frac{1 }{ a }) , (b , \frac{1}{ b}) , (c ,\frac{ 1}{c} ) and (d ,\frac{1}{d} ) which lies on a circle of radius of 4 4 units . So this means that the points are at a distance of four units from the centre . Using distance formula , [ x ( g ) ] 2 + [ 1 x ( f ) ] 2 = 4. \sqrt{[x-(-g)]^2 +[\frac {1}{x} - (-f)]^2 } = 4.

Squaring both sides we get , ( x + g ) 2 + ( 1 x + f ) 2 = 16. (x+g)^2 + (\frac{1}{x} + f)^2 =16.

Now opening the brackets and multiplying throughout by x 2 x^2 we get ,

x 4 + 2 g x 3 + ( g 2 + f 2 16 ) x 2 + 2 f x + 1 = 0 x^4 + 2gx^3 + (g^2 + f^2 -16)x^2 + 2fx + 1 = 0

Now since a , b , c a , b , c a n d and d d are the roots of this equation and by using Sir Vieta's formula we get ,

a b c d = 1 \boxed {abcd = 1}

Its exactly the same as mine

Prakhar Bindal - 4 years, 9 months ago
Prakhar Bindal
Aug 25, 2016

Consider a circle (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2

put point (x,1/x) in circle . by Vieta's we get abcd = 1 independent of radius of circle

can you elaborate your solution ???

Kushal Bose - 4 years, 9 months ago

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can i know in which are do you have problem?

Prakhar Bindal - 4 years, 9 months ago

Hats of to you buddy. Great solution. (No sarcasm). Deserve an up-vote.

Maninder Dhanauta - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Thanks a lot . But i dont even take sarcastic comments sarcastically!

Prakhar Bindal - 4 years, 9 months ago
Josh Banister
Aug 26, 2016

We have if ( a , 1 a ) (a,\frac{1}{a}) satisfies x 2 + y 2 = 16 x^2 + y^2 = 16 then ( 1 a , a ) (\frac{1}{a},a) also does too. WLOG let b = 1 a b = \frac{1}{a} and d = 1 c d = \frac{1}{c} . We get a b c d = a 1 a c 1 c = 1 abcd = a\frac{1}{a}c\frac{1}{c} = \boxed{1} .

Ah, nice answer, Josh! :)

Geoff Pilling - 4 years, 9 months ago
Andrea Virgillito
Feb 23, 2017

If you set b=1/a c=-a d=-1/a you get 4 distinct points that have the same distance from the origin. You can find a in order to obtain a circle with radius 4 but you don't need it because abcd that is a(1/a)(-a)(-1/a) will be always equal to 1.

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