Asymmetric Antiderivative

Calculus Level 2

2 × lim h 0 1 1 + h x x d x 1 h 1 x x d x h 2 = ? \large 2 \times \lim_{h\to0} \dfrac{\int_1^{1+h} x^x \, dx - \int_{1-h}^1 x^x \, dx }{h^2} =\, ?


The answer is 2.0.

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4 solutions

Oliver Bel
Apr 20, 2014

The numerator and denominator both tend to 0 0 so we can use L'Hôpital's rule.

L = 2 lim h 0 1 h 2 ( 1 1 + h x x d x 1 h 1 x x d x ) = lim h 0 ( 1 + h ) ( 1 + h ) ( 1 h ) ( 1 h ) h = lim h 0 ( 1 + h ) ( 1 + h ) ( ln ( 1 + h ) + 1 ) + ( 1 h ) ( 1 h ) ( ln ( 1 h ) + 1 ) = 2 \begin{aligned} L & = 2 \lim_{h \to 0} \frac 1 {h^2} \left({ \int_1^{1 + h} x^x \, \mathrm d x - \int_{1 - h}^1 x^x \, \mathrm d x }\right) \\ & = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac { \left({1 + h}\right)^{\left({1 + h}\right)} - \left({1- h}\right)^{\left({1 - h}\right)}} h \\ & = \lim_{h \to 0} \left({1 + h}\right)^{\left({1 + h}\right)}\left({\ln\left({1 + h}\right)+1}\right) + \left({1 - h}\right)^{\left({1 - h}\right)}\left({\ln\left({1 - h}\right)+1}\right) \\ & = 2 \end{aligned}

I got 2 but let me ask something on allplying l hospital the second part becomes positive as it is upper function minus lower so answer is only 0 . @ CANNOT BE THE ANSWER.

Rahul Sreedhar - 7 years, 1 month ago

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There are three minus so the upper part is still negative

Abhishek Gadekar - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

a good problem .

Himanshu Parihar - 7 years, 1 month ago

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it's a dreadful problem!!!

Nik Gibson - 2 years, 11 months ago

instead of using L'Hôpital's rule second time, we can directly see that in the second line it is the derivative of x^x at x=1 which is one and then multiply by as given in the question gives the answer.

Ajay Kumar - 7 years ago

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oh, it's right! you are so clever.

李 同喜 - 3 years, 5 months ago

Using asymptotic balancing of the limit it turns out that the limits goes to one without solving then 2*1=2

Mohammed Saaid - 3 years, 3 months ago

i have the same solution

Jason Rice - 2 years, 8 months ago

Does the second line have a minus 2 at the numerator? Or not (1+h) ^(1+h)+(1-h)^(1-h)=2 and 2/0 have a answer for infinity. My real problem is how the first line's numerator differentiate?

Yan Zhang Wong - 2 years, 1 month ago

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Please read up fundamental theorem of calculus , it's explained there.

Pi Han Goh - 2 years, 1 month ago

Why can you use hopital a second time? Doesnt the limite tend to 2/0 so infinite?

Leonardo Bitto - 2 years ago

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(1+0)^(1+0) - (1-0)^(1-0) = 0, 0/0 = interderminate.

Pi Han Goh - 2 years ago

Oh! The same one.

Arghyanil Dey - 7 years, 1 month ago

d ( x x ) d ( x ) = x x \frac{d(x^x)}{d(x)} = x^x , so used again L'Hospital is more single.

Víctor Mandujano Gutierrez - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Not true. derivative of x x x^x is x x ( ln x + 1 ) x^x (\ln x + 1) . Proof:

Let y = x x ln y = x ln x y = x^x \Rightarrow \ln y = x \ln x , differentiate with respect to x x

1 y d y d x = x x + ln x 1 \large \frac {1}{y} \cdot \frac {\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} = \frac {x}{x} + \ln x \cdot 1

d y d x = y ( ln x + 1 ) = x x ( ln x + 1 ) \large \Rightarrow \frac {\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} = y \cdot ( \ln x + 1 ) = x^x ( \ln x + 1)

Pi Han Goh - 7 years ago

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What happens if x=0?

Damien LaRocque - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Damien LaRocque Indeterminate.

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 7 months ago
Dan Bach
Jul 24, 2016

The two integrals on top are the areas of two thin trapezoids, width h and height difference approaching h f'(1) where f(x) = x^x.

But f'(x) = (x^x)(1 + ln x), so f'(1) = 1, and this area difference is that of an h by h square.

Thus the limit is 1 and the answer is 2.

Yup! That's the geometric intuition.

The solution that I have in mind was "derivative via first principle", but yours works too!

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 10 months ago
Tom Verhoeff
Feb 19, 2017

A general approach can be understood as follows. Let x x = f ( x ) x^x = f(x) , and let F F be a primitive function of f f ; that is, F ( x ) = f ( x ) F^{\prime}(x) = f(x) . Consider the Taylor series for F ( x ) F(x) around x = 1 x=1 : F ( 1 + h ) = F ( 1 ) + f ( 1 ) h + 1 2 f ( 1 ) h 2 + O ( h 3 ) F(1+h) = F(1) + f(1)h + \frac{1}{2}f^{\prime}(1)h^2+O(h^3) .

Then the requested limit is lim h 0 2 × ( F ( 1 + h ) F ( 1 ) ) ( F ( 1 ) F ( 1 h ) ) h 2 \lim_{h\to0}\,2\times\frac{(F(1+h) - F(1)) - (F(1) - F(1-h))}{h^2} . Using the Taylor series, the part under the limit rewrites into 2 f ( 1 ) + O ( h ) 2f^{\prime}(1)+O(h) . Hence, the requested limit equals 2 f ( 1 ) 2f^{\prime}(1) .

For f ( x ) = x x f(x) = x^x , we have f ( x ) = x x ( 1 + ln x ) f^{\prime}(x) = x^x(1+\ln x) , which can be obtained by rewriting x x = e x ln x x^x = e^{x \ln x} .

Thus, the requested limit equals 2 × 1 1 ( 1 + ln 1 ) = 2 2\times1^1(1 +\ln 1) = 2 .

Rudra Jadon
Aug 2, 2017

I have done it using l hopitals rule and newton leibinz formula plz tell me if we can use newton Leibniz formula here or not although my answer came correct by using it

yes, just read the other solutions.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 10 months ago

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