Average Speed

Algebra Level 3

Bob and Carl both go on a round trip from point A to point B. Bob travels at 45 mph during the entire trip, but Carl travels at 23 mph going from point A to point B. How fast does Carl need to go from point B to point A to catch up to Bob? (Answer in mph)

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The answer is 1035.

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4 solutions

Bufang Liang
Aug 26, 2015

If the distance between point A and point B is d d , then the amount of time Bob takes on his trip is 2 d 45 \frac{2d}{45} . Carl takes d 23 \frac{d}{23} hours to get to point A to point B, so the amount of time Carl has left to get from point B to point A is 2 d 45 d 23 \frac{2d}{45} - \frac{d}{23} .

We find the speed Carl needs to travel at is the distance (which is d d ) divided by the time (which is 2 d 45 d 23 \frac{2d}{45} - \frac{d}{23} ).

d 2 d 45 d 23 = 1 2 45 1 23 = 1035 \frac{d}{\frac{2d}{45} - \frac{d}{23}} = \frac{1}{\frac{2}{45}-\frac{1}{23}} = \boxed{1035}

Comments: This may seem unexpected. We intuitively believe that the answer should be an average, or 67 mph. However, averages need to be weighted the same in order to do this. Carl spends much more time traveling at 23 mph to get from A to B than Bob does at 45 mph. This is why we need to be especially careful when dealing with rate problems and construct tables/do unit analysis.

Another way to see this problem is imagine Carl was going at 30 mph and Bob was going at 60. By the time Bob gets back to A, Carl will have just reached B! The only way Carl can catch up is if he instantly teleports back to A. If he traveled any slower, Bob would have returned before Carl even reaches B!

Time of journey for both of them should be equal.
2S/45 = (S/23)+(S/V) =) V= 1035

Tanmoy Gupta - 5 years, 9 months ago

Well. This was unexpected!

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 9 months ago

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For sure. I thought I'd done something wrong at first until I realized where Bob would be once Carl made the turn at point B . B. Not even a rocket car can go 1035 1035 mph. :P

Brian Charlesworth - 5 years, 9 months ago

The total time of journey for both of them should be equal. Rest is easy

Tanmoy Gupta - 5 years, 9 months ago

ah I found it the first time but I thought I'm wrong about 1035mph bcs that's not possible. I search for least common multiple of 23 and 45 by multiplying it and I found 1035mile. Bob need 23 hours to go from A to B, and another 23 from B to A which makes it 46 hours. Carl need 45 hours to go from A to B, and he need one hour to catch up Bob, so it quite easy, he need to travel 1035mile in an hour. I'm sorry for bad english, cheers :D

Ricky Honarto - 5 years, 9 months ago
Hadia Qadir
Aug 29, 2015

Let us assume that the distance from point A to point B is 23*45=1035 miles

After 23 hours, Bob will be at point B and after 45 hours, Carl will be at point B and Bob will be at (45-23) 45=22 45 miles away from point B or 45 miles away from point A.

Since it would take Bob an hour to get to point A, Carl must travel the whole distance to go back to point A within an hour, which is 1035 miles and therefore he should go 1035 mph.

Azadali Jivani
Aug 28, 2015

Suppose distance from point A to B = 45 miles
So Bob completed entire trip = 2 hrs
Carls completed trip from A to B = 45/23 hrs,
so to catch up Bob, required speed = 45 * 23 = 1035 mph


Lance Fernando
Aug 28, 2015

Because both persons go to the two points, the common sense occurs in this one. The LCD is 1035, so this is the answer.

I understand 45 * 23 = 1035. But I still don't understand how this answer is found :-(

Nigel James - 5 years, 9 months ago

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The problem says that Person A did travel at 45 mph DURING THE ENTIRE TRIP. This means he drove from Point A to B. On the other hand. Person B traveled 23 mph FROM POINT A and B. It's very clear that to catch up, we need the enough average speed. So using the LCM, we have 45*23 = 1035.

Lance Fernando - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Thank you Lance...

Nigel James - 5 years, 9 months ago

This doesn't explain what LCD has to do with the problem. Why are you taking the LCD? What is the justification?

If the numbers I chose were 5 and 7 instead of 23 and 45, the answer would be 35/3.

Bufang Liang - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Okay, the reason is that I looked to the words of the problem. Person A, according to the problem, drove 45 mph THE ENTIRE TRIP. This means from Point A to B. On the other hand, Person B drove 23 mph FROM POINT A to B. Since they're both in the same situation, to catch up, of course we need the enough average speed. So using LCM, we have 23 * 45 = 1035. You can actually tell already the LCM as they didn't have this common factor - so no choice, but to multiply them both.

Lance Fernando - 5 years, 9 months ago

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This does not address why this solution is correct. How would you use your LCM technique if Bob traveled at 7 mph and Carl traveled at 9 mph? Can you use this technique to come up with the right answer?

Bufang Liang - 5 years, 9 months ago

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@Bufang Liang It depends on the problem given. If I can use 63 mph as answer in LCM, that I could be correct. Why? It's because at first thing, we don't have a common factor so we have to multiply.

Lance Fernando - 5 years, 9 months ago

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@Lance Fernando Well then you're actually wrong. The answer is 12.6 mph. Your method does not work. There is no "depends on the problem given" because I explicitly gave you a [modified] problem. If you understood the problem correctly, you would have no issues solving this problem for the given parameters.

Bufang Liang - 5 years, 9 months ago

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