Ball, Don't Fall!

A solid spherical ball is placed carefully on the edge of a table in the position shown in the figure. The coefficient of static friction between the ball and the edge of the table is 0.5 0.5 . It is then given a very slight push. It begins to fall off the table.


Find the angle (in degrees) turned by the ball before it slips.


Details and Assumptions

  • Find the angle with the vertical.


The answer is 41.83.

This section requires Javascript.
You are seeing this because something didn't load right. We suggest you, (a) try refreshing the page, (b) enabling javascript if it is disabled on your browser and, finally, (c) loading the non-javascript version of this page . We're sorry about the hassle.

3 solutions

Ronak Agarwal
Nov 4, 2014

The following diagram show's all the forces being applied on the sphere when it is making an angle θ \theta with the horizontal.

Slipping Slipping

I will be taking direction along the normal as x-axis and direction anti parellel to friction as y-axis.

Till the moment the ball starts slipping we can assume the whole sphere to be rotating about the tip.

First thing we would be calculating is the angular velocity of the ball, it can be easy calculated by using work energy theorom.

Work done by gravity = Change in Kinetic energy.

m g R ( 1 c o s ( θ ) ) = 1 2 I t i p ω 2 mgR(1-cos(\theta))=\frac{1}{2}{I}_{tip}{\omega}^{2}

I t i p = I c o m + m R 2 = 7 5 m R 2 {I}_{tip}={I}_{com}+m{R}^{2}=\frac{7}{5}m{R}^{2}

We get the expression of ω \omega as :

ω = 10 g ( 1 c o s ( θ ) ) 7 R \omega = \sqrt{\frac{10g(1-cos(\theta))}{7R}}

Now we will find angular acceleration of the ball :

m g s i n ( θ ) R = 7 5 m R 2 α mgsin(\theta)R=\frac{7}{5}m{R}^{2}\alpha

α = 5 g s i n ( θ ) 7 R \Rightarrow \alpha = \frac{5gsin(\theta)}{7R}

a y = α R = 5 g s i n ( θ ) 7 \Rightarrow {a}_{y}=\alpha R=\frac{5gsin(\theta)}{7}

There is no acceleration of ball in x-axis. Hence writing equation of equilibrium in x-direction we get :

m g c o s ( θ ) = N + m ω 2 R mgcos(\theta)=N+m{\omega}^{2}R

Putting the expression of ω \omega we get :

N = m g ( 17 c o s ( θ ) 10 ) 7 N=\frac{mg(17cos(\theta)-10)}{7}

Also using force equation in y direction we get :

m g s i n ( θ ) f = m a y mgsin(\theta)-f=m{a}_{y}

Putting the expression of a y {a}_{y} we get :

f = 2 m g s i n ( θ ) 7 f=\frac{2mgsin(\theta)}{7}

At the time of slipping we have :

η N = f \eta N = f

Where η \eta is the co-efficient of friciton :

Putting the expression of N , f N,f and η = 0.5 \eta=0.5 we get :

m g ( 17 c o s ( θ ) 10 ) 14 = 2 m g s i n ( θ ) 7 \large \frac{mg(17cos(\theta)-10)}{14}=\frac{2mgsin(\theta)}{7}

Solving θ \theta comes out to be :

θ = t a n 1 ( 205 10 ) t a n 1 ( 4 17 ) \theta = { tan }^{ -1 }(\frac { \sqrt { 205 } }{ 10 } )-{ tan }^{ -1 }(\frac { 4 }{ 17 } )

Exactly what I did ! But @Ronak Agarwal @Mvs Saketh @Pratik Shastri can you please explain its Motion in the duration of θ = 41.83 \theta \ = 41.83 to θ = 56.96 \theta \ = 56.96 degrees ?? Thanks!

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 7 months ago

Log in to reply

@DEEPANSHU GUPTA The situation is more complex, since the ball has begun to slip, now friction actually does work, and thus the balls rate of gaining energy decreases,, also it is no longer pure rolling about the cliff ,, thus we have to consider the situation as a superposition of translation and rotation about com now, and yes it wont lose contact at the same angle now, since now even friction does work, it seems mathematically complex , but i will tery to analyse it and report back

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 7 months ago

Log in to reply

Yes , And I wonder that how we can proceed further if we want to some further analysis ! I mean that As @Ronak Agarwal Posted his question that Find The range of this cylinder if it is fall from the clif and performing The Projectile ! Since We can't apply energy conservation etc..!! I tried this at my own but situation becomes more and more complex ! So What you r thinking about it ? ? @Mvs Saketh

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 7 months ago

Log in to reply

@Deepanshu Gupta When rolling ceases (pure) bro, then the centre is no longer rotating about the cliff and hence we must take coriolis force into account as well (if we wish to continue keeping origin at the cliff tip) , so indeed its complicated and indeed energy is not conserved ,. Whilst the good thing is friction becomes constant but the bad things out weigh it , so i suppose u will get a really complicated differential equation

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 4 months ago

Comprehensive Solution. Up voted!

Pratik Shastri - 6 years, 7 months ago

@ronak aggarwal- it seems you have done the last part without calculator (because you expressed it as a fraction first) is it true? and if so how could you solve it without calculator?

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 7 months ago

Log in to reply

Simplifying the equation for θ \theta we would we getting :

17 c o s ( θ ) 4 s i n ( θ ) = 10 17cos(\theta)-4sin(\theta)=10

It can also we written as :

305 c o s ( θ + ϕ ) = 10 \sqrt{305}cos(\theta+\phi )=10

where t a n ( ϕ ) = 4 17 tan(\phi)=\frac{4}{17}

Taking inverse :

θ = c o s 1 ( 10 305 ) t a n 1 ( 4 17 ) \theta={ cos }^{ -1 }(\frac { 10 }{ \sqrt { 305 } } )-{ tan }^{ -1 }(\frac { 4 }{ 17 } )

Ofcourse after this I used a calculator for finding θ \theta

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 7 months ago

Log in to reply

oh that is much better than squaring and adding extraneous roots! +1

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 7 months ago

Why you use moment of inertia about the tip not about the center of mass @Ronak Agarwal @Deepanshu Gupta @Mvs Saketh @Pratik Shastri .

Atin Bainada - 2 years, 4 months ago
Mvs Saketh
Nov 3, 2014

The situation The situation

figure is in rotating frame

Slipping begins when the acceleration of the point of contact of the ball with the edge is no longer at rest,,

That is the superposition of rotational and translational accelerations about the com for the contact point is no longer 0

or mathematically a α R a\ge \alpha R

now in the limiting case,, friction is just able to support pure rolling about edge or it is maximum,

Also we know that only friction provides the torque about com,,

and that balls centre of mass only moves perpendicular to the direction of normal reaction,, and the only forces along it are the component of gravity along it (sin component) and friction acting opposite to it giving the ball acceleration along it.

thus we have

g s i n θ f m = a f R = I α f = μ N = μ ( m g c o s θ m w 2 r ) gsin\theta \quad -\quad \frac { f }{ m } =\quad a\\ \\ fR=I\alpha \\ \\ f=\mu N=\mu (mgcos\theta -m{ w }^{ 2 }r)

and finally through energy conservation we have

2 m g R ( 1 c o s θ ) = I a b o u t e d g e w 2 2mgR(1-cos\theta )={ I }_{ about\quad edge }{ w }^{ 2 }

Solving all these we get two values for the angle as

θ = 41.83 ( a p p r o x ) a n d θ = 68.344 \theta =41.83(approx)\quad and\quad \theta =68.344

the latter is rejected obviously ( can be shown from the fact that had the ball not slipped at 41.83 degrees it would have lost contact at somewhere near 53 degrees, and so theres no way it can slip at an angle greater than that)

thus we get answer

Nice diagram :D

Pratik Shastri - 6 years, 7 months ago

Nice!+1 :)

Pratik Shastri - 6 years, 7 months ago

Mvs Saketh can u plz can tell why mw^2r Acting in the dir. Of normal?

Shinoy Sharma - 6 years, 5 months ago
Andrew Song
Sep 2, 2015

Mine looks cumbersome.

0 pending reports

×

Problem Loading...

Note Loading...

Set Loading...