Battle between Rod and Cube

A massless Rod of Length 'L' with small Stone of mass ' m ' at the end is Hinged at point 'O' as shown in the figure and occupies a strictly Vertical Position, touching a body of mass M . A Light Gentle jerk sets the system in motion. For what mass ratio M/m will the rod form an angle α \alpha with the horizontal at the moment of the separation from the body ? Friction should be neglected everywhere. if it can be expressed as M m = a b sin α sin c α \displaystyle{\cfrac { M }{ m } =\cfrac { a-b\sin { \alpha } }{ \sin ^{ c }{ \alpha } } }

Then Find a + b + c

Assumptions

\bullet Here assume That α ( o , π 2 ) \displaystyle{\alpha \quad \in \quad (o,\cfrac { \pi }{ 2 } )}

Source : Asked in my test \text{Asked in my test}

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Deepanshu Gupta
Jan 8, 2015

At the instant of separation, Let Cube has Velocity 'V' and rod has angular velocity ω \omega about the point 'O' . Then Using Energy Conservation (System Rod + Cube+Earth)

m g L ( 1 sin α ) = 1 2 ( m L 2 ) ω 2 + 1 2 m v 2 . . . ( 1 ) \displaystyle{mgL(1-\sin { \alpha } )=\cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } (m{ L }^{ 2 }){ \omega }^{ 2 }+\cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } m{ v }^{ 2 }\quad .\quad .\quad .(1)} .

using angular equation of motion of Rod ; N cos α + m g sin α = m ω 2 L . . . ( 2 ) \displaystyle{N\cos { \alpha } +mg\sin { \alpha } =m{ \omega }^{ 2 }L\quad \quad .\quad .\quad .\quad (2)} .

Condition of Sepration (Normal reaction must be zero) N = 0 . . . ( 3 ) \displaystyle{N=0\quad \quad .\quad .\quad .\quad (3)} .

Using Constrained Equation : (Relative Velocities of Point of Contact b/w rigid Bodies along Common Normal Must be zero , Because they are Rigid So their Inter Particle Distance Must not be Changed )

v = ω L sin α . . . ( 4 ) \displaystyle{v=\omega L\sin { \alpha } \quad .\quad .\quad .\quad (4)} .

You Have 4 equations and 4 variable , Eliminate Them . and we should get ;

M m = 2 3 sin α sin 3 α \boxed { \cfrac { M }{ m } =\cfrac { 2-3\sin { \alpha } }{ \sin ^{ 3 }{ \alpha } } } .

This is Interesting Question Deepanshu Bro ! ¨ \ddot\smile . I enjoyed in solving this.

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 5 months ago

Its from krotov seen it previously

Rohit Shah - 6 years, 5 months ago

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May Be Possible , Actually It was asked in our Recent Review Test ,in our Coaching Institute, I liked it , So I shared it .
And Btw what is ' Krotov ' is it a Book ?

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Ya SS Krotov by MIR Publishers. Its a fantastic collection of problems. Its one level above irodov

Rohit Shah - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Rohit Shah Ohh :O , I really doesn't Know about it . But, Is there any online pdf for this Book ? or any ebook Link That You Know ? Thanks!

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Deepanshu Gupta search it online, its so popular you will find a thousand correct links for it, its like iridov except harder as per me

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Mvs Saketh Thanks ! But when I Searched Then I didn't Getting appropriate Link for it . Can you please Provide Valid Link of it for me ? Thanks Saketh

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Deepanshu Gupta Mirtitles.org

Rohit Shah - 6 years, 5 months ago

@Rohit Shah Hey!please don't underestimate Krotov.It's 10 levels above Irodov

mudit bansal - 6 years, 4 months ago

Why are we neglecting Tension in the rod ?

Sumanth R Hegde - 4 years, 5 months ago

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Where are we neglecting it?Or rather why should it be included?

It neither does any work , nor do it provides any torque.

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years, 5 months ago

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You are neglecting tension when you consider centripetal acceleration.Yes it doesnt do any work, but it cannot be neglected when you write your force equations

Sumanth R Hegde - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Sumanth R Hegde But we are not considering centripetal acceleration, coz finding tension is difficult in this scenario, thus we are not writing that equation.

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava . m g s i n ( α ) mgsin(\alpha) + T+ N c o s ( α ) cos(\alpha) = m w 2 l mw^2l ......This should have been the equation ....Get my point??

Sumanth R Hegde - 4 years, 5 months ago

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@Sumanth R Hegde You are right I guess, I didn't read his solution carefully.

What I did was to use the tangential motion equation for the stone :

m g l c o s x N l s i n x = I s a t mglcosx -Nlsinx = I_{s} a_{t}

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years, 5 months ago

I think u missed out the tension term in your second equation \text{I think u missed out the tension term in your second equation}

The actual equations should be written as \text{The actual equations should be written as}

For a general angle x \text{For a general angle x} :

Ncos(x) + mgsin(x) - T = mv²/l . . . ( 1 ) \text{Ncos(x) + mgsin(x) - T = mv²/l} ...(1)

N = Ma . . . ( 2 ) \text{N = Ma} ...(2)

T cosx - N = ma . . . ( 3 ) \text{T cosx - N = ma} ...(3)

Simultaneously solving 1, 2 and 3 we get: \text{Simultaneously solving 1, 2 and 3 we get:}

Ncosx - Nsecx(M+m)/(m)+ mgsinx = mv²/l \text{Ncosx - Nsecx(M+m)/(m)+ mgsinx = mv²/l}

At the moment of break off these equations still hold as N(normal force) still exists, it is just that it has become infinitesimally small and hence N can be neglected from the final equation \text{At the moment of break off these equations still hold as N(normal force) still exists, it is just that it has become infinitesimally small and hence N can be neglected from the final equation}

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 7 months ago
Satvik Pandey
Jan 10, 2015

Let V V be the velocity of the Cube and v v be the velocity of the upper end of the rod at the moment they get separated.

So by conservation of energy

m g l ( 1 s i n α ) = 1 2 ( M V 2 + m v 2 ) mgl(1-sin\alpha )=\frac { 1 }{ 2 } \left( M{ V }^{ 2 }+m{ v }^{ 2 } \right)

As they just loose contact so till then the velocities of points in contact , perpendicular to the contact surface must be equal

so v s i n α = V vsin\alpha=V

Substituting this in our 1st equation we get

V 2 = 2 m g l s i n 2 α ( 1 s i n α ) ( m + M s i n 2 α ) { V }^{ 2 }=\frac { 2mgl{ sin }^{ 2 }\alpha (1-sin\alpha ) }{ (m+M{ sin }^{ 2 }\alpha ) }

After the moment m loose contact with the M no force acts on it so

d v d t = 0 \frac{dv}{dt}=0 or d v d α d α d t = 0 \frac{dv}{d\alpha}\frac{d\alpha}{dt}=0

Now as d V d α = 0 \frac { d{ V } }{ d\alpha }=0

So d V 2 d α = 0 \frac { d{ V }^{ 2 } }{ d\alpha } =0

So d d α { 2 m g l s i n 2 α ( 1 s i n α ) ( m + M s i n 2 α ) } = 0 \frac { d }{ d\alpha } \left\{ \frac { 2mgl{ sin }^{ 2 }\alpha (1-sin\alpha ) }{ (m+M{ sin }^{ 2 }\alpha ) } \right\} =0

On solving this we get

M m = 2 3 s i n ( α ) s i n 3 ( α ) \frac { M }{ m } =\frac { 2-3sin(\alpha ) }{ { sin }^{ 3 }\left( \alpha \right) }

Nicely Done !

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@satvik pandey - Nice method , but it would have been much simple if you differentiated that vsina = V equation itself to find a relation between w and alpha and then use the fact that torque is only provided by gravity at the instant seperation and hence find alpha (angular acceleration), from there find w, and then use energy conservation

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 5 months ago

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The differentiation was quite long. Could please upload your whole solution. :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey w l s i n ( θ ) = v u s i n g d θ / d t = w d w / d t = α w e g e t α t a n ( θ ) = w 2 s i n c e o n l y g r a v i t y p r o v i d e s t o r q u e α = g c o s ( θ ) l w 2 = g s i n ( θ ) l s o m g l = m g l s i n ( θ ) + m l 2 w 2 2 + M v 2 2 wlsin(\theta )=v\\ \\ \quad using\\ d\theta /dt\quad =\quad -w\\ dw/dt=\quad \alpha \\ \\ we\quad get\\ \alpha \quad tan(\theta )\quad =\quad { w }^{ 2 }\\ \\ since\quad only\quad gravity\quad provides\quad torque\\ \alpha \quad =\quad \frac { gcos(\theta ) }{ l } \\ \\ { w }^{ 2 }\quad =\quad \frac { gsin(\theta ) }{ l } \\ so\\ mgl\quad =\quad mglsin(\theta )\quad +\quad \frac { m{ l }^{ 2 }{ w }^{ 2 } }{ 2 } +\frac { M{ v }^{ 2 } }{ 2 } sorry for inputting all in latex, i had to save time

Note that i used dv/dt = 0 to derive the first relation

then 1 = 3 2 s i n ( θ ) + M m ( s i n ( θ ) ) 3 2 1=\quad \frac { 3 }{ 2 } sin(\theta )\quad +\quad \frac { M }{ m } \frac { { (sin(\theta }))^{ 3 } }{ 2 }

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 5 months ago

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@Mvs Saketh Thank you Saketh for explaining. Your method is ingenious. :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 5 months ago

@Mvs Saketh then u know what to do

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 5 months ago

Thanks bro! :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 5 months ago
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