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Algebra Level 5

Find the sum of all possible values of b b such that the following equations has common roots :

2 x 2 + b x + 1 = 0 2x^2 + bx + 1 = 0

5 x 2 + x + b = 0 5x^2 + x + b = 0

This problem is original


The answer is -0.4.

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Let a x 2 + b x + c = 0 ax^2+bx+c=0 have roots x 1 , x 2 x_1,x_2 and d x 2 + e x + f = 0 dx^2+ex+f=0 have roots x 2 , x 3 x_2,x_3 . Then, by Vieta's formulas:

x 1 + x 2 = b a . . . ( 1 ) x 1 x 2 = c a . . . ( 2 ) x 2 + x 3 = e d . . . ( 3 ) x 2 x 3 = f d . . . ( 4 ) x_1+x_2=-\dfrac{b}{a} ... (1) \\ x_1x_2=\dfrac{c}{a} ... (2) \\ x_2+x_3=-\dfrac{e}{d} ... (3) \\ x_2x_3=\dfrac{f}{d} ... (4)

Then with the identity ( A B ) 2 = ( A + B ) 2 4 A B (A-B)^2=(A+B)^2-4AB we can obtain:

x 1 x 2 = b 2 4 a c a . . . ( 5 ) x 2 x 3 = e 2 4 d f d . . . ( 6 ) x_1-x_2=\dfrac{\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{a} ... (5)\\ x_2-x_3=\dfrac{\sqrt{e^2-4df}}{d} ... (6)

Subtract ( 3 ) (3) from ( 1 ) (1) :

x 1 x 3 = b a + e d . . . ( 7 ) x_1-x_3=-\dfrac{b}{a}+\dfrac{e}{d} ... (7)

Sum ( 5 ) (5) and ( 6 ) (6) :

x 1 x 3 = b 2 4 a c a + e 2 4 d f d . . . ( 8 ) x_1-x_3=\dfrac{\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{a}+\dfrac{\sqrt{e^2-4df}}{d} ... (8)

Equate ( 7 ) (7) and ( 8 ) (8) :

b a + e d = b 2 4 a c a + e 2 4 d f d -\dfrac{b}{a}+\dfrac{e}{d}=\dfrac{\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{a}+\dfrac{\sqrt{e^2-4df}}{d}

Simplify and square both sides:

a e b d = d b 2 4 a c + a e 2 4 d f ae-bd=d\sqrt{b^2-4ac}+a\sqrt{e^2-4df}

( a e b d ) 2 = ( d b 2 4 a c + a e 2 4 d f ) 2 (ae-bd)^2=(d\sqrt{b^2-4ac}+a\sqrt{e^2-4df})^2

a 2 e 2 2 a b d e + b 2 d 2 = b 2 d 2 4 a c d 2 + a 2 e 2 4 a 2 d f + 2 a d ( b 2 4 a c ) ( e 2 4 d f ) \cancel{a^2e^2}-2abde+\cancel{b^2d^2}=\cancel{b^2d^2}-4acd^2+\cancel{a^2e^2}-4a^2df+2ad\sqrt{(b^2-4ac)(e^2-4df)}

Divide both sides by 2 a d 2ad :

2 c d b e + 2 a f = ( b 2 4 a c ) ( e 2 4 d f ) 2cd-be+2af=\sqrt{(b^2-4ac)(e^2-4df)}

Square again:

( 2 c d b e + 2 a f ) 2 = ( b 2 4 a c ) ( e 2 4 d f ) (2cd-be+2af)^2=(b^2-4ac)(e^2-4df)

4 c 2 d 2 + b 2 e 2 + 4 a 2 f 2 4 b c d e + 8 a c d f 4 a b e f = b 2 e 2 4 b 2 d f 4 a c e 2 + 16 a c d f 4c^2d^2+\cancel{b^2e^2}+4a^2f^2-4bcde+8acdf-4abef=\cancel{b^2e^2}-4b^2df-4ace^2+16acdf

4 a 2 f 2 8 a c d f + 4 c 2 d 2 = 4 b c d e + 4 a b e f 4 b 2 d f 4 a c e 2 4a^2f^2-8acdf+4c^2d^2=4bcde+4abef-4b^2df-4ace^2

4 ( a f c d ) 2 = 4 ( b c d e + a b e f b 2 d f a c e 2 ) \cancel{4}(af-cd)^2=\cancel{4}(bcde+abef-b^2df-ace^2)

( a f c d ) 2 = b d ( c e b f ) + a e ( b f c e ) (af-cd)^2=bd(ce-bf)+ae(bf-ce)

( a f c d ) 2 = ( a e b d ) ( b f c e ) (af-cd)^2=(ae-bd)(bf-ce)

In this case the equations are 2 x 2 + b x + 1 = 0 2x^2+bx+1=0 and 5 x 2 + x + b = 0 5x^2+x+b=0 , hence the condition is:

( 2 b 5 ) 2 = ( 2 5 b ) ( b 2 1 ) (2b-5)^2=(2-5b)(b^2-1)

4 b 2 20 b + 25 = 2 b 2 2 5 b 3 + 5 b 4b^2-20b+25=2b^2-2-5b^3+5b

5 b 3 + 2 b 2 25 b + 27 = 0 5b^3+2b^2-25b+27=0

The discriminant of that equation is less tha cero, hence there are no repeated roots. By Vieta's formulas, the sum of all values of b b is 2 5 = 0.4 -\dfrac{2}{5}=\boxed{-0.4} .

very nice. Thanks.

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 5 months ago
Dev Sharma
Nov 22, 2015

If a x 2 + b x + c = 0 ax^2 + bx + c = 0

d x 2 + e x + f = 0 dx^2 + ex + f = 0

then condition for common roots is :

( d c a f ) 2 = ( b f e c ) ( a e d b ) (dc - af)^2 = (bf - ec)(ae - db)

Applying it here, we get :

5 b 3 + 2 b 2 25 b + 27 = 0 5b^3 + 2b^2 - 25b + 27 = 0

Using vieta, sum of all possible values of b b is -0.4

Nice solution, but how do you know that condition?

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 5 years, 5 months ago

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sorry, i dont have its proof now, i just found it in a book. Whats your solution?

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Here's the proof: Let the common root be α \alpha . Solving by Cross multiplication method.. α 2 b f e c = α c d a f = 1 a e b d \dfrac{\alpha^2}{bf-ec} = \dfrac{\alpha}{cd-af} = \dfrac{1}{ae-bd} α = b f e c c d a f = c d a f a e b d \Rightarrow \alpha=\dfrac{bf-ec}{cd-af}=\dfrac{cd-af}{ae-bd} ( d c a f ) 2 = ( b f e c ) ( a e d b ) \Rightarrow \color{forestgreen}{(dc - af)^2 = (bf - ec)(ae - db)}

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

No need to be sorry. I'll post it soon, nice problem :D

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar Thanks. And have a look at my set Problems I created

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Dev Sharma The way I remember the condition for one common root,
a 1 x 2 + b 1 x + c 1 = 0 a_{1}x^2 + b_{1}x + c_{1} = 0
a 2 x 2 + b 2 x + c 2 = 0 a_{2}x^2 + b_{2}x + c_{2} = 0
If α \alpha is the common root,


α 2 b 1 c 2 c 1 b 2 = α a 1 c 2 c 1 a 2 = 1 a 1 b 2 b 1 a 2 \dfrac{\alpha^2}{b_{1}c_{2}-c_{1}b_{2}} = \dfrac{-\alpha}{a_{1}c_{2}-c_{1}a_{2}} = \dfrac{1}{a_{1}b_{2} - b_{1}a_{2}}
Or using determinants,

α 2 b 1 c 1 b 2 c 2 = α a 1 c 1 a 2 c 2 = 1 a 1 b 1 a 2 b 2 \dfrac{\alpha^2}{\left| \begin{array}{lr} b_{1} & c_{1} \\ b_{2} & c_{2} \end{array}\right|} = \dfrac{-\alpha}{\left| \begin{array}{lr} a_{1} & c_{1} \\ a_{2} & c_{2} \end{array}\right|} = \dfrac{1}{\left| \begin{array}{lr} a_{1} & b_{1} \\ a_{2} & b_{2} \end{array}\right|}

We proved it in class, but I remember this formula for quicker solving.

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 5 months ago
Aatman Supkar
Oct 2, 2018

There is a direct formula for the condition of two quadratics to have a common root. But I would like to present a solution that shows where the answer came from. Apologies for the lack of knowledge of LaTeX.

Let's say the two quadratics have a common root. Multiply a constant factor to one of them and make their leading coefficients equal. Subtract them. If two terms are equal to zero, their difference is zero as well. And because the difference is a linear term, it's root is the common root!

But we need to put this thing in to any one of the equations and make it equal to zero, as it was a mere assumptions that the quadratics ACTUALLY had a common root. We get a cubic in this case in terms of b. What are you looking at now? Put Vieta to some use!

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