Bending A Triangle

Geometry Level 2

Triangle A B C ABC has coodinates A = ( 4 , 0 ) A= (-4, 0) , B = ( 4 , 0 ) B= (4 , 0) , and C = ( 0 , 3 ) C= (0 , 3) .

Let P P be the point in the first quadrant such that A B P \triangle ABP has half the area of A B C \triangle ABC but both triangles have the same perimeter.

What is the length of C P ? CP? If your solution is in a form of d \sqrt{d} , submit d d as the answer.


The answer is 21.

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Since A B C \triangle ABC and A B P \triangle ABP share the same base A B AB and have the same perimeter, we can fix the points A A & B B as the foci and attach imaginary threads to draw an elliptical curve as shown below:

For any point P P on the ellipse graph and two foci points F 1 F_{1} & F 2 F_{2} , the sum of P P F 1 F_{1} + P P F 2 F_{2} is always constant. If point P P is not on the ellipse graph, the perimeter of A B P \triangle ABP will no longer equal to that of A B C \triangle ABC .

In this case, the total distance of A C + C B AC + CB (blue) = distance of A P + P B AP + PB (red), and we can formulate the graph as: x 2 a 2 + y 2 b 2 = 1 \dfrac{x^2}{a^2} + \dfrac{y^2}{b^2} = 1

Then the focal length is half of A B = 4 AB = 4 , and b b is the height of A B C \triangle ABC = 3 3 . Then a 2 b 2 = 4 2 ; a 2 = 3 2 + 4 2 ; a = 5 a^2 - b^2 = 4^2; a^2 = 3^2 + 4^2; a = 5 .

Therefore, the formula for this ellipse is x 2 5 2 + y 2 3 2 = 1 \dfrac{x^2}{5^2} + \dfrac{y^2}{3^2} = 1 .

Since the area of A B P \triangle ABP is half of the A B C \triangle ABC , the height (also the distance from the x x -axis) is half of the original one; the height is 3 2 \dfrac{3}{2} , which is the y y value.

Plugging in this y y value, we will get y 2 = ( 3 2 ) 2 = 9 4 y^2 = (\dfrac{3}{2})^2 = \dfrac{9}{4} :

x 2 5 2 + 9 4 3 2 = 1 \dfrac{x^2}{5^2} + \dfrac{\frac{9}{4}}{3^2} = 1 ; x 2 = 75 4 \ x^2 = \dfrac{75}{4}

As a result, the distance of C P CP = 75 4 + ( 3 3 2 ) 2 \sqrt{\dfrac{75}{4} + (3 - \dfrac{3}{2})^2} = 75 + 9 4 = 21 \sqrt{\dfrac{75+9}{4}} = \sqrt{21} .

This is an unusual approach. Thanks for sharing =D

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 2 months ago

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You're welcome. Hope you'd like it. ;)

Worranat Pakornrat - 5 years, 2 months ago

Wait... Why must the point P P lie on the ellipse as well? Why can't it be inside (or outside) the ellipse?

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 2 months ago

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For any point P P on the ellipse graph and two foci points F 1 F_{1} & F 2 F_{2} , the sum of P P F 1 F_{1} + P P F 2 F_{2} is always constant. If point P P is not on the ellipse graph, the perimeter of A B P \triangle ABP will no longer equal to that of A B C \triangle ABC .

Worranat Pakornrat - 5 years, 2 months ago

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You didn't answer my question. I asked why must P lie on the ellipse as well. Your explanation was that "because it's in the ellipse, then this condition must hold".

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh I think I already answered the question quite directly. If it's not on the ellipse, the perimeter will change. (Can you find any other point P P not on the ellipse that satisfies the condition then?)

Worranat Pakornrat - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Worranat Pakornrat Great. I think it's better to add that to your solution (1st paragraph) to make it more explicit. Thanks.

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 2 months ago

I did this. @Pi Han Goh it's because any point on an ellipse, when its distances from the foci are added, will always be constant. In order for the perimeter to be the same, it has to have the point on the ellipse.

ALLAN YUAN - 1 year, 3 months ago

I had it the same approach because I remembered the ellipse definition but Saad approach below is simpler.

Lu Ca - 7 months ago
Ahmad Saad
Mar 25, 2016

You are fine Mr.ahmad saad Good solution

Aziz Alasha - 4 years, 4 months ago

How to get x value

Ramesh Mula - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Distance between two points P(x1; y1) and Q(x2; y2) is given by:

d(P;Q) = sqrt{(x2 −x1)2 + (y2 −y1)2} ............. (Distance formula)

Ahmad Saad - 4 years, 9 months ago

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use the value of k in one of the equations

Tezera Adan'e - 4 years, 6 months ago

my understanding is that the triangle having the same perimeter meant all points (corners) of the triangle fit in the circle. Hence had a solution of 12.5 the origin of this circle is at (0 , -7/6)

Trevor Ponniah - 3 years, 11 months ago

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