Let P ( x ) = x 4 − a x 3 + b x 2 − c x + 3 0 be with real values a , b , c . Such that its positive real roots r 1 , r 2 , r 3 , r 4 satisfy the equation 6 r 1 + 1 0 r 2 + 1 5 r 3 + 3 0 r 4 = 1 2 0 . What is the value of ( c − b ) 2 − a 2 ?
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same solution well solved sir!!!!upvotes!!!!
This is M Y Solution. I don't know whether it is correct or not. I was just lucky.
6 r 1 + 1 0 r 2 + 1 5 r 3 + 3 0 r 4 = 1 2 0 In this we can see that there are four terms summing up to 1 2 0 . Letting the four terms to be equal to each other, we get each term to be = 3 0 . This implies that
6 r 1 = 3 0 → r 1 = 5
Similarly r 2 = 3 , r 3 = 2 and r 4 = 1
So we have the roots → 1 , 2 , 3 , 5
Using Vieta's Theorem, we will get a = 1 1 , b = 4 1 and c = 6 1
Thus ( c − b ) 2 − a 2 = ( 6 1 − 4 1 ) 2 − 1 1 2 = 2 0 2 − 1 1 2 = 4 0 0 − 1 2 1 = 2 7 9
We know that r 1 r 2 r 3 r 4 = 3 0
Dividing 6 r 1 + 1 0 r 2 + 1 5 r 3 + 3 0 r 4 = 1 2 0 by 3 0 , we get 5 r 1 + 3 r 2 + 2 r 3 + r 4 = 4 .
Applying AM-GM on this, 4 1 ( 5 r 1 + 3 r 2 + 2 r 3 + r 4 ) ≥ ( 5 r 1 3 r 2 2 r 3 r 4 ) 4 1
Substituting values , we get 1 ≥ 1 .
⟹ Equality must hold.
⟹ 5 r 1 = 3 r 2 = 2 r 3 = r 4
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Awesome problem!But I did it the way vaibhav did.
Same method! Nice!
Actually at first sight I was approaching this problem by destructive Vieta and Newton's sums , but then I saw the tag of AM-GM , and then easily got the problem correctly!
@Harsh Shrivastava tell me whether correct or not
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See the reason.
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@Harsh Shrivastava Awesome question bhai........... nice problem with application of both AM-GM and Vieta's
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@Vaibhav Prasad – Yup!Let's decide on G+!
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@Harsh Shrivastava – what is G+
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Here's a similar solution to what Aakash Khandelwal had written. Just want to write it up for clarity.
We can apply the AM - GM Inequality to the set of positive reals: { 6 r 1 , 1 0 r 2 , 1 5 r 3 , 3 0 4 }. That will be:
4 6 r 1 + 1 0 r 2 + 1 5 r 3 + 3 0 r 4 ≥ 4 6 r 1 × 1 0 r 2 × 1 5 r 3 × 3 0 r 4 ⟺ 4 1 2 0 ≥ 4 6 × 1 0 × 1 5 × 3 0 × 3 0 (since r 1 r 2 r 3 r 4 = 3 0 ) ⟺ 3 0 ≥ 3 0
We have an equality! And yes, that only occurs when 6 r 1 = 1 0 r 2 = 1 5 r 3 = 3 0 r 4 = 3 0 . So for that, we should get the positive real roots as said on the problem: r 1 = 5 , r 2 = 3 , r 3 = 2 , and r 4 = 1 . Well from Vieta's Identities, that should immediately gives us the corresponding values of a , b , and c . And so,
a = 5 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 1 1
b = 5 × 3 + 5 × 2 + 5 × 1 + 3 × 2 + 3 × 1 + 2 × 1 = 4 1
c = 5 × 3 × 2 + 5 × 3 × 1 + 5 × 2 × 1 + 3 × 2 × 1 = 6 1
Our desire value of ( c − b ) 2 − a 2 should be ( 6 1 − 4 1 ) 2 − 1 1 2 = 2 7 9 .
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use AM≥GM
6r1+10r2+15r3+30r4 ≥4(27000*r1r2r3r4)^0.25=120 as r1r2r3r4=30
therefore 6r1=10r2=15r3=30r4 =120/4=30
hence r1=5 ;r2=3; r3=2; r4=1
c-b=-20 ; a=11
hence answer=400-121=279