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Let P ( x ) = x 4 a x 3 + b x 2 c x + 30 P(x) = x^4 - ax^3 + bx^2 - cx + 30 be with real values a , b , c a,b,c . Such that its positive real roots r 1 , r 2 , r 3 , r 4 r_1, r_2, r_3, r_4 satisfy the equation 6 r 1 + 10 r 2 + 15 r 3 + 30 r 4 = 120 6r_1 + 10r_2 + 15r_3 + 30r_4 = 120 . What is the value of ( c b ) 2 a 2 (c-b)^2 - a^2 ?


The answer is 279.

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3 solutions

Aakash Khandelwal
May 24, 2015

use AM≥GM

6r1+10r2+15r3+30r4 ≥4(27000*r1r2r3r4)^0.25=120 as r1r2r3r4=30

therefore 6r1=10r2=15r3=30r4 =120/4=30

hence r1=5 ;r2=3; r3=2; r4=1

c-b=-20 ; a=11

hence answer=400-121=279

same solution well solved sir!!!!upvotes!!!!

rajdeep brahma - 3 years ago
Vaibhav Prasad
Mar 23, 2015

This is M Y MY Solution. I don't know whether it is correct or not. I was just lucky.

6 r 1 + 10 r 2 + 15 r 3 + 30 r 4 = 120 6r_1 + 10r_2 + 15r_3 + 30r_4 = 120 In this we can see that there are four terms summing up to 120 120 . Letting the four terms to be equal to each other, we get each term to be = 30 30 . This implies that

6 r 1 = 30 r 1 = 5 6r_1 = 30 \rightarrow r_1 = 5

Similarly r 2 = 3 r_2 = 3 , r 3 = 2 r_3 =2 and r 4 = 1 r_4 = 1

So we have the roots 1 , 2 , 3 , 5 \rightarrow 1,2,3,5

Using Vieta's Theorem, we will get a = 11 , b = 41 a = 11, b =41 and c = 61 c = 61

Thus ( c b ) 2 a 2 = ( 61 41 ) 2 1 1 2 = 2 0 2 1 1 2 = 400 121 = 279 (c - b)^{2} - a^{2} \\= (61 - 41)^2 -11^2 \\= 20^2 - 11^2 \\= 400 - 121 \\= 279

We know that r 1 r 2 r 3 r 4 = 30 r_1 r_2 r_3 r_4 = 30

Dividing 6 r 1 + 10 r 2 + 15 r 3 + 30 r 4 = 120 6r_1 + 10r_2 + 15r_3 + 30r_4 = 120 by 30 30 , we get r 1 5 + r 2 3 + r 3 2 + r 4 = 4 \dfrac{r_1}{5} + \dfrac{r_2}{3} + \dfrac{r_3}{2} + r_4 = 4 .

Applying AM-GM on this, 1 4 ( r 1 5 + r 2 3 + r 3 2 + r 4 ) ( r 1 5 r 2 3 r 3 2 r 4 ) 1 4 \dfrac{1}{4}(\dfrac{r_1}{5} + \dfrac{r_2}{3} + \dfrac{r_3}{2} + r_4) \geq (\dfrac{r_1}{5}\dfrac{r_2}{3}\dfrac{r_3}{2}r_4)^\frac{1}{4}

Substituting values , we get 1 1 1 \geq 1 .

Equality must hold. \implies \text{Equality must hold.}

r 1 5 = r 2 3 = r 3 2 = r 4 \implies \dfrac{r_1}{5} = \dfrac{r_2}{3} = \dfrac{r_3}{2} = r_4

@Vaibhav Prasad

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Awesome problem!But I did it the way vaibhav did.

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Kalash Verma try this

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Vaibhav Prasad - 6 years, 2 months ago

Same method! Nice!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 2 months ago

Actually at first sight I was approaching this problem by destructive Vieta and Newton's sums , but then I saw the tag of AM-GM , and then easily got the problem correctly!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 2 months ago

@Harsh Shrivastava tell me whether correct or not

Vaibhav Prasad - 6 years, 2 months ago

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See the reason.

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava Awesome question bhai........... nice problem with application of both AM-GM and Vieta's

Vaibhav Prasad - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Vaibhav Prasad Sorry I could not come to play basket ball. i could not because i woke up very late. will you be playing Tuesday morning ??

Vaibhav Prasad - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Vaibhav Prasad Yup!Let's decide on G+!

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava what is G+

Vaibhav Prasad - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Vaibhav Prasad Gmail yaar!!

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava THought so okay

Vaibhav Prasad - 6 years, 2 months ago

@Vaibhav Prasad Thanks! Inspiration

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 2 months ago
Reineir Duran
Dec 29, 2015

Here's a similar solution to what Aakash Khandelwal had written. Just want to write it up for clarity.

We can apply the AM - GM Inequality to the set of positive reals: { 6 r 1 , 10 r 2 , 15 r 3 , 3 0 4 6r_1, 10r_2, 15r_3, 30_4 }. That will be:

6 r 1 + 10 r 2 + 15 r 3 + 30 r 4 4 \frac{6r_1 + 10r_2 + 15r_3 + 30r_4}{4} \ge 6 r 1 × 10 r 2 × 15 r 3 × 30 r 4 4 \sqrt[4]{6r_1 × 10r_2 × 15r_3 × 30r_4} \Longleftrightarrow 120 4 \frac{120}{4} \ge 6 × 10 × 15 × 30 × 30 4 \sqrt[4]{6 × 10 × 15 × 30 × 30} (since r 1 r 2 r 3 r 4 = 30 r_1r_2r_3r_4 = 30 ) \Longleftrightarrow 30 30 \ge 30 30

We have an equality! And yes, that only occurs when 6 r 1 = 10 r 2 = 15 r 3 = 30 r 4 = 30 6r_1 = 10r_2 = 15r_3 = 30r_4 = 30 . So for that, we should get the positive real roots as said on the problem: r 1 = 5 , r 2 = 3 , r 3 = 2 r_1 = 5, r_2 = 3, r_3 = 2 , and r 4 = 1 r_4 = 1 . Well from Vieta's Identities, that should immediately gives us the corresponding values of a , b a, b , and c c . And so,

a = 5 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 11 a = 5 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 11

b = 5 × 3 + 5 × 2 + 5 × 1 + 3 × 2 + 3 × 1 + 2 × 1 = 41 b = 5 × 3 + 5 × 2 + 5 × 1 + 3 × 2 + 3 × 1 + 2 × 1 = 41

c = 5 × 3 × 2 + 5 × 3 × 1 + 5 × 2 × 1 + 3 × 2 × 1 = 61 c = 5 × 3 × 2 + 5 × 3 × 1 + 5 × 2 × 1 + 3 × 2 × 1 = 61

Our desire value of ( c b ) 2 a 2 (c - b)^2 - a^2 should be ( 61 41 ) 2 1 1 2 = 279 (61 - 41)^2 - 11^2 = 279 .

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