Calculating distances might not be easy

On a smooth horizontal table are two identical cubes of mass m m , connected by a spring of spring constant k k . The length of spring in the unstretched state is L L . The right cube is linked to the load mass m m at the end. At some time the system is released and the system moves without initial velocity. Find the maximum distance (in cm \text{cm} ) between blocks during the motion of the system.

[ L = 1 cm , m = 3 kg , k = 1000 N/m L = 1 \text{ cm}, m = 3 \text{ kg}, k = 1000 \text{ N/m} ].


The answer is 3.

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4 solutions

Kishore S. Shenoy
Aug 25, 2015

Taking forces on the whole system,

m g = 3 m a a = g 3 \begin{aligned} mg &= 3ma\\ a&=\frac{g}{3} \end{aligned}

W.R.T to the block at the leftmost end, forces acting on the other block on the table are k x kx , k x kx and 2 m g 3 \frac{2mg}{3} .

Thus conserving energy in the block frame,

0 = k x 2 + 2 m g x 3 x = 2 m g 3 k \begin{aligned} 0 &= -kx^2 + \dfrac{2mgx}{3}\\ x&= \dfrac{2mg}{3k} \end{aligned}

x = 2 m g 3 k \boxed {\therefore x = \dfrac{2mg}{3k}}

@Kishore S Shenoy Can you justify your conservation of energy equation? It seems you are making the assumption that x x will be maximized at a point when there is not kinetic energy in the system.

Brilliant Physics Staff - 5 years, 9 months ago

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That is in the block frame, at maximum point, relative velocity is zero. And work energy theorem is true for any frame thus conserving it in the accelerating frame of the block.

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago

What is basis of your dynamic equations? I don't get your frame.

Swapnil Das - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Which one, the first?

Kishore S. Shenoy - 4 years, 3 months ago

Let blocks 1, 2 and 3 be numbered from left to right. The equations of motion for each block are

m g T = m a 3 mg-T=ma_3

T k x = m a 2 T-kx=ma_2

k x = m a 1 kx=ma_1 ,

where x x is the elongation of the string and blocks 2 and 3 have the same acceleration (say, a 2 a_2 ) because they are equally spaced by the string at all times. Let x 1 x_1 and x 2 x_2 be the positions of blocks 1 and 2 with respect to some reference frame. We then have

x 2 x 1 L = x x_2-x_1-L=x or

a 2 a 1 = d 2 x d t 2 {\displaystyle a_{2}-a_{1}=\frac{\mathrm{d}^{2}x}{\mathrm{d}t^{2}}} .

Finding a 1 a_1 and a 2 a_2 from the equations of motion and replacing them on this last one, we get the differential equation for x x

d 2 x d t 2 + 3 k 2 m x = g 2 {\displaystyle \frac{\mathrm{d}^{2}x}{\mathrm{d}t^{2}}+\frac{3k}{2m}x=\frac{g}{2}} ,

which solution is

x = m g 3 k cos ( ω t ) + m g 3 k {\displaystyle x=-\frac{mg}{3k}\cos(\omega t)+\frac{mg}{3k}} .

Given this, the maximum value of x x is when cos ( ω t ) = 1 \cos(\omega t)=-1 , i.e. 2 m g 3 k {\displaystyle \frac{2mg}{3k}} . Hence, the maximum distance between blocks 1 and 2 should be

L + 2 m g 3 k = 3 L+{\displaystyle \frac{2mg}{3k}}=3 cm,

given g = 10 m / s 2 g=10m/s^2 .

You do not have to do all this.

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago

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There are always several solutions to one problem which lead to a common answer. This is mine, I would like to read yours! =)

Miguel Vásquez Vega - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Take the two blocks on the table to be one system. Thus

a = g 3 a = \frac{g}{3}

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago

LOL. It's like using Lagrange for an Atwood Machine Problem

Austin Joseph - 5 years, 5 months ago

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What? What are talking about?

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Kishore S. Shenoy Lagrangian mechanics is an approach to solving complex problems by using energy rather than dealing with forces. It is very, very useful in engineering but in some simple problems with only a couple of forces it is not effective. Plus the calculus behind Lagrange is pretty simple. To define Lagrange function (L) we use energy and differentiate. it is just a very useful tool that i use for hard problems though it requires solving partial differential equations. \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial \:}{\partial x\left(dot\right)\:}\left(L\right)\right)=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}\left(L\right)

Austin Joseph - 5 years, 5 months ago
Austin Joseph
Dec 26, 2015

First analyze block falling down. mg - T= ma
Now understand that we can associate the spring block system as that of a block of mass 2m. So we analyze than T=2ma
mg-2ma=ma ; ma+2ma = mg ; 3ma= mg a = g/3
NOW PLUG BACK IN T=2ma ; T=2mg/3 Now anaylaze system in depth.


T-kx=0 ; T=kx ; 100 * 2mg/3k = x (* 100; to convert to centimeters) x+1 = 3

TADA!

Abhiraj Hinge
Oct 30, 2015

The acceleration of centre of mass will be g/3.(Mg=3Ma) Now,let us view everything from the centre of mass frame.When the spring is at it's maximum extension the velocity of all three blocks with respect to centre of mass will be 0.(This statement can be proved using Proof by Contradiction) Now writing kinematic equation of velocity for the leftmost block. V^{2}=integral of 2 a dx. The value of a is the acceleration of the leftmost block with respect to centre of mass frame. Hence a= (g/3)-(kx/m) Now,if we make the integral 0 we get value of x as 2cm.This is maximum extension in spring.Adding the initial distance between the blocks to it.We get maximum distance between them as 3cm.

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