Chain Challenge!

A chain of uniform density is piled up on the top of a table. A small hole is cut, through which the chain starts falling.The length of the entire chain is 1 m. Initially, one-third of the chain is hanging from the edge of the table.How long will it take the chain (in seconds) to slide off the table?

All collisions (between the links) are inelastic in nature, and energy is not conserved .

Details and Assumptions

\bullet The chain is not lying straight on the table. It is piled up on the table.

\bullet If you found any integral difficult then you may use WolframAlpha.

\bullet chain is inelastic in nature.

\bullet You may found this useful:

1 3 1 x d x x 3 ( 1 3 3 ) = 1.130 \int _{ \frac { 1 }{ 3 } }^{ 1 }{ \frac { xdx }{ \sqrt { { x }^{ 3 }-\left( { \frac { 1 }{ 3 } }^{ 3 } \right) } } } =1.130

\bullet Take g = 9.8 m / s 2 g=9.8 m/s^{2}

Also try this .


The answer is 0.44.

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1 solution

Satvik Pandey
Oct 11, 2014

Let the length of chain below table at any arbitrary time 't' be x x . Net force acting on the hanging part of chain at that position is M L ( x ) g \frac { M }{ L } (x)g where M is the mass of the chain and L is the length of the chain.

So d ( m v ) d t = M L ( x ) g \frac { d(mv) }{ dt } =\frac { M }{ L } (x)g

or m v d ( m v ) d t = M L ( x ) g × m v mv\frac { d(mv) }{ dt } =\frac { M }{ L } (x)g\times mv

or m v d ( m v ) d t = g ( M L ) 2 x 2 d x d t mv\frac { d(mv) }{ dt } =g{ \left( \frac { M }{ L } \right) }^{ 2 }{ x }^{ 2 }\frac { dx }{ dt\ }

Let s = m v s=mv

So s 2 2 = ( M L ) 2 x 3 3 + c \frac { { s }^{ 2 } }{ 2 } ={ \left( \frac { M }{ L } \right) }^{ 2 }\frac { { x }^{ 3 } }{ 3 } +c

At t=0 v=0 and let x = x 0 x={ x }_{ 0 }

So c = ( M L ) 2 x 0 3 3 c=-{ \left( \frac { M }{ L } \right) }^{ 2 }\frac { { x }_{ 0 }^{ 3 } }{ 3 }

Putting this value

v 2 2 = g 3 ( x x 0 3 x 2 ) \frac { { v }^{ 2 } }{ 2 } =\frac { g }{ 3 } \left( x-\frac { { x }_{ 0 }^{ 3 } }{ { { x }^{ 2 } } } \right)

or v 2 = 2 g 3 ( x x 0 3 x 2 ) { v }^{ 2 }=\frac { 2g }{ 3 } \left( x-\frac { { x }_{ 0 }^{ 3 } }{ { { x }^{ 2 } } } \right)

or x 0 x 2 g 3 ( x x 0 3 x 2 ) 1 d x = 0 t d t \int _{ { x }_{ 0 } }^{ x }{ { \sqrt { \frac { 2g }{ 3 } \left( x-\frac { { x }_{ 0 }^{ 3 } }{ { { x }^{ 2 } } } \right) } }^{ -1 } } dx=\int _{ 0 }^{ t }{ dt }

or t = 3 2 g x 0 x x d x x 3 x 0 3 t=\sqrt { \frac { 3 }{ 2g } } \int _{ { x }_{ 0 } }^{ x }{ \frac { xdx }{ \sqrt { { x }^{ 3 }-{ x }_{ 0 }^{ 3 } } } }

So 3 2 g 1 / 3 1 x d x x 3 ( 1 3 ) 3 = t \sqrt { \frac { 3 }{ 2g } } \int _{ 1/3 }^{ 1 }{ \frac { xdx }{ \sqrt { { x }^{ 3 }-{ \left( \frac { 1 }{ 3 } \right) }^{ 3 } } } } =t

The value of integral comes out to be 1.130.

Please watch this to find the answer of the integration.

On putting this value the result comes out to be t 0.44 s e c t\simeq 0.44sec

Please use wolframalpha for calculating the integral because that integral has no representation in elementary functions and one can only compute its numeric value for the given limits.

This Problem will be more interesting If you let the Chain lying on the Table so that net force on the hanging system is not only due to it's weight but also an tension will acts on the top....!!! So than That Problem will Surely not solved within 10 minutes . I Think You Should Try This By your own. Anyway Nice work @satvik pandey

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Thank you Deepanshu.

You should try this . This is similar to the problem you are talking about.

Please try this and this .

Thanks for re sharing this question.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Yes @satvik pandey I had solved 2 of them.

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 7 months ago

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@Deepanshu Gupta Are you in class 12?

satvik pandey - 6 years, 7 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey I'am in 13th :P

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 7 months ago

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@Deepanshu Gupta Nice sense of humor. :D

satvik pandey - 6 years, 7 months ago

@Deepanshu Gupta Why did u repeat u are so brilliant!

Ashwin Gopal - 6 years, 4 months ago

In the first step how did simply multiply x/L

Ashwin Gopal - 6 years, 4 months ago

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The force acting is the weight of the chain hanging below the table. So it is m x g / l mxg/l

satvik pandey - 6 years, 4 months ago

Why the G gone?

Edo Jayakusuma - 6 years, 3 months ago

so where did rest of the energy go?????? its not necessary that the chain elements collide with each other......

Yash Sharma - 6 years, 1 month ago

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