Challenge yourself part 3

Geometry Level 4

In a circle radius 12 , there are 2 chords AB & BC of length 6 & 4, then find AC .


The answer is 9.789.

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3 solutions

Gian Sanjaya
Sep 5, 2015

On the first step we will use the formula to search for the circumradius of the triangle ABC, however it's AC who is being asked:

R = A B × B C × A C 4 [ A B C ] R = \frac{AB\times BC\times AC}{4[ABC]}

where [ A B C ] [ABC] denotes the area of triangle ABC.

12 = 24 A C ( A B + B C + A C ) ( A B + B C A C ) ( A C + A B B C ) ( A C A B + B C ) 12=\frac{24AC}{\sqrt{(AB+BC+AC)(AB+BC-AC)(AC+AB-BC)(AC-AB+BC)}}

( 10 + A C ) ( 10 A C ) ( A C + 2 ) ( A C 2 ) = 2 A C \sqrt{(10+AC)(10-AC)(AC+2)(AC-2)}=2AC

( 100 A C 2 ) ( A C 2 4 ) = 4 A C 2 (100-AC^2)(AC^2-4)=4AC^2

( A C 2 100 ) ( A C 2 4 ) + 4 A C 2 = 0 (AC^2-100)(AC^2-4)+4AC^2=0

Assume A C 2 = x AC^2=x . Expanding the LHS, we get:

x 2 100 x + 400 = 0 x^2-100x+400=0

x 1 , 2 = 100 ± 10 0 2 4 × 1 × 400 2 x_{1, 2}=\frac{100\pm \sqrt{100^2-4\times 1\times 400}}{2}

Simplifying it, we get:

x 1 , 2 = 50 ± 10 21 = 35 + 15 ± 2 525 = ( 35 ± 15 ) 2 x_{1, 2}=50\pm 10\sqrt{21}=35+15 \pm 2\sqrt{525}=(\sqrt{35}\pm\sqrt{15})^2

A C 1 , 2 = 35 ± 15 5.91608 ± 3.87298 AC_{1, 2}=\sqrt{35}\pm\sqrt{15}\approx 5.91608\pm 3.87298

Then, the possible values of AC are 9.78906 \boxed{9.78906} and 2.04310 \boxed{2.04310} . However, in this problem, the chosen one is 9.78906 \boxed{9.78906} .

This not the chosen one this the answer try this question in another way. Thanks for giving a new soln. Try it with Ptolemy theorem.

Jayesh Meena - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Logical drawing would help you see that there is actually 2 possible solutions. The one with big angle ABC and another one small ABC, by the way how could we approach this by Ptolemy's Theorem?

Gian Sanjaya - 5 years, 9 months ago

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Angle will be big because radius is greater.

Jayesh Meena - 5 years, 9 months ago

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@Jayesh Meena Not neccesarilly. Consider the case where C is in the shorter arc AB.

Gian Sanjaya - 5 years, 9 months ago

Nevermind the ptolemy, now I can see what did you think.

Gian Sanjaya - 5 years, 9 months ago

I was trying to solve this question by actually drawing it on paper...and getting 10 as an answer again and again...

Akhil Bansal - 5 years, 9 months ago

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A, B, and C are NOT collinear, they're just near collinear when you draw it on paper, (also there's 2 routes to draw the chords, one with C inside the shorter arc AB, and the other with B inside the shorter arc AC)

Gian Sanjaya - 5 years, 9 months ago
Raven Herd
Nov 30, 2015

Let the center of the circle be O. Let angle AOC = 2\theta ,then angle ACB=\theta.Using _ cosine rule_ ,we have \cos\theta = \frac {4^{2} + AC^{2} _ 36}{8\timesAC}. \cos\2 theta = \frac {144+144-36}{288}.We get \cos\2 theta=\frac{7}{8}. 2\cos^{2}\theta -1 =\frac{7}{8}. We get \cos\theta=\frac {15^{1/2} }{4} .We get a _ quadratic_ in AC.Solving we get AC= 9.789

Harmanjot Singh
Oct 8, 2015

we can also use cosine rule.!!! that will also be a good solution.!!!

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