Challenging RLC Circuit

This is based on an old post from the Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange. The author of the post was having trouble solving the circuit, and people responded by suggesting Laplace analysis. Of course, I have my own approach. Now, for the problem:

An RLC network is excited by a DC voltage source. At time t = 0 t = 0 , the inductor and capacitors are de-energized. Let I S 0 I_{S0} be the current flowing out of the source at time t = 0 t = 0 . Let I S I_{S \infty} be the current flowing out of the source as the elapsed time approaches infinity. Let I S m i n I_{S min} be the smallest (minimum) current flowing out of the source at any point in time. Determine the following ratio:

I S 0 + I S I S m i n \large{\frac{I_{S0} + I_{S \infty} }{I_{S min}}}

Details and Assumptions:
1) V S = 10 V_S = 10
2) R 1 = R 2 = R 3 = R 4 = 0.1 R_1 = R_2 = R_3 = R_4 = 0.1
3) L = 1 L = 1
4) C 1 = 1 C_1 = 1
5) C 2 = 2 C_2 = 2
6) All three current values are positive


The answer is 23.35.

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1 solution

Steven Chase
Jan 29, 2020

The state variables are the capacitor voltages and the inductor current ( V C 1 , V C 2 , I L ) (V_{C1}, V_{C2}, I_L) . Put together a system of equations which relates the time-derivates of the state variables to the state variables and the forcing function. We need three equations to solve for the time-derivatives of the state variables. You can write the equations however you like, as long as the system matrix ends up being invertible. The first equation is a KVL loop around the outer edge (the second line is an expanded version of the first line).

V S R 1 I C 1 V C 1 R 4 I C 2 V C 2 = 0 V S R 1 C 1 V ˙ C 1 V C 1 R 4 C 2 V ˙ C 2 V C 2 = 0 V_S - R_1 I_{C1} - V_{C1} - R_4 I_{C2} - V_{C2} = 0 \\ V_S - R_1 C_1 \dot{V}_{C1} - V_{C1} - R_4 C_2 \dot{V}_{C2} - V_{C2} = 0

The second equation relates the currents flowing out of the source to the currents flowing back into the source (the second line is an expanded version of the first line).

I L + I C 1 = I R 3 + I C 2 I L + C 1 V ˙ C 1 = V S L I ˙ L R 3 + C 2 V ˙ C 2 I_L + I_{C1} = I_{R3} + I_{C2} \\ I_L + C_1 \dot{V}_{C1} = \frac{V_S - L \dot{I}_L}{R3} + C_2 \dot{V}_{C2}

The third equation relates two different expressions for the voltage across R 2 R_2 .

( V S R 1 C 1 V ˙ C 1 V C 1 ) ( V S L I ˙ L ) = R 2 I R 2 = R 2 ( C 1 V ˙ C 1 C 2 V ˙ C 2 ) (V_S - R_1 C_1 \dot{V}_{C1} - V_{C1}) - (V_S - L \dot{I}_L) = R_2 I_{R2} = R_2 (C_1 \dot{V}_{C1} - C_2 \dot{V}_{C2})

Re-arranging these equations somewhat results in the following:

( R 1 C 1 R 4 C 2 0 R 3 C 1 R 3 C 2 L R 2 C 1 + R 1 C 1 R 2 C 2 L ) ( V ˙ C 1 V ˙ C 2 I ˙ L ) = ( V S V C 1 V C 2 V S R 3 I L V C 1 ) \begin{pmatrix} R_1 C_1 & R_4 C_2 & 0 \\ R_3 C_1 & -R_3 C_2 & L \\ R_2 C_1 + R_1 C_1 & -R_2 C_2 & -L \\ \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} \dot{V}_{C1} \\ \dot{V}_{C2} \\ \dot{I}_L \\ \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} V_S - V_{C1} - V_{C2} \\ V_S - R_3 I_L \\ -V_{C1} \\ \end{pmatrix}

Solve the linear system on each time step for the time-derivatives of the state variables, and numerically integrate. The source current is:

I S = I L + C 1 V ˙ C 1 I_S = I_L + C_1 \dot{V}_{C1}

A plot of the source current is shown below. The current starts at 60 60 initially and asymptotically approaches 100 100 . It has a minimum value of about 6.85 6.85 . I also double-checked this result using the Electromagnetic Transients Program (EMTP).

Python simulation code:

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import math
import numpy as np

VS = 10.0

R1 = 0.1
R2 = 0.1
R3 = 0.1
R4 = 0.1

L = 1.0

C1 = 1.0
C2 = 2.0

##################################

J11 = R1*C1
J12 = R4*C2
J13 = 0.0

J21 = R3*C1
J22 = -R3*C2
J23 = L

J31 = R2*C1 + R1*C1
J32 = -R2*C2 
J33 = -L 

J = np.array([[J11,J12,J13],[J21,J22,J23],[J31,J32,J33]])

##################################

dt = 10.0**(-4.0)
t = 0.0
count = 0

IL = 0.0
VC1 = 0.0
VC2 = 0.0

###########################################

vec = np.array([VS-VC1-VC2,VS-R3*IL,-VC1])

Sol = np.linalg.solve(J,vec)

VC1d = Sol[0]
VC2d = Sol[1]
ILd = Sol[2]

IS = IL + C1*VC1d

#print t,IS

###########################################

#print "t VS Vout"

ISmin = 99999999.0

while t <= 100.0:

    VC1 = VC1 + VC1d * dt
    VC2 = VC2 + VC2d * dt
    IL = IL + ILd * dt

    vec = np.array([VS-VC1-VC2,VS-R3*IL,-VC1])

    Sol = np.linalg.solve(J,vec)

    VC1d = Sol[0]
    VC2d = Sol[1]
    ILd = Sol[2]

    IS = IL + C1*VC1d

    t = t + dt
    count = count + 1

    #if count % 1000 == 0:
        #print t,IS

    if IS < ISmin:
        ISmin = IS

##################################

print ""
print ""

print dt
print ISmin
print (160.0/ISmin)

wow awesome question and solution .can't able to solve but can understand the solution. Sir please can you make a question to find the gravitational binding energy of hollow hemisphere.

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 4 months ago

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I'm actually not sure how to solve the half-shell case yet. I'll keep thinking about it and let you know if I make any progress.

Steven Chase - 1 year, 4 months ago

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Sir can we do that half of hollow sphere will be the gravitational binding energy of hollow hemisphere. I think we can't do that because the potential at the surface of hollow hemisphere is not the same everywhere???

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@A Former Brilliant Member Yeah, this problem is much harder because of the broken symmetry

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase sir can you please upload questions of magnetism. i am very hungry for your problems because your problems always impress me.?? Please

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@A Former Brilliant Member Sure, I'll see if I can think of one. Are you looking for a Biot-Savart type of problem?

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase whether it is biot savart, ampere circuital law or EMI anything in Magnetism ?? Sir can you please?

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@A Former Brilliant Member I posted an Ampere's law problem today. It actually requires Ampere's law and Biot-Savart to complete.

Steven Chase - 1 year, 4 months ago

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@Steven Chase Thanks sir. Human - Oxygen, Legend of physics - Your problems

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 4 months ago

Yeah your problems of magnetism are very interesting. Can you please upload it 1 to 2 day?

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 4 months ago

Sure, I'll post another one soon. Thanks for your interest

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@Steven Chase sir your most questions include very tough integration and calculus . Sometimes the question contain more mathematics than physics. Sir can you post a difficult question of magnetism which contains less math and more physics it would be more interesting

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What sort of thing would you like to see, specifically?

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@Steven Chase @ Steven chase sir i want magnetism tricky question which contains more physics and less math .in math it should contains calculus of low level and the level of question should be level 5 . Conclusion- physics question should be of physics tricky concepts not by mathematical calculation

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@A Former Brilliant Member I put a new one up that doesn't require as much math

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase Thanks sir that question was awesome i solved it. But sir after solving Brilliant has shown correct answer to me but after some time it is showing incorrect and giving right answer below and that answer is the answer which I typed. I don't know what's the issue. But the question was awesome. I want such questions. Sir can you upload more question like this??

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@A Former Brilliant Member Glad you liked it. Are you accessing the site from a phone, or from a computer? I have heard that there are some issues with the phone app.

Steven Chase - 1 year, 4 months ago

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@Steven Chase Yes sir i am using the Brilliant app

A Former Brilliant Member - 1 year, 4 months ago

@Steven Chase @Steven Chase sir can you please upload more question?? Please sir without good level magnetism questions I can't live

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@A Former Brilliant Member Sure, I'll keep uploading more. It takes some time to think of them though

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase sir i have seen your next question of. Magnetism. https://brilliant.org/problems/gausss-law-of-magnetism/ think it needs some hard mathematical calculation. Please post those questions which contains more hard physics and less math

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@Legend of Physics Tera raaj hai ki jo bolega wo hi ques. Post honge

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