Charge on spherical conductors

We have a spherical conductor of radius R R placed at origin of cartesian co-ordinate system.

Now an electric field E = E 0 i ^ \vec{E} = {E}_{0} \hat{i} is switched on.

Find the net charge in columb on the part of sphere lying in the region x 0 x \ge 0

Details and assumptions :

E 0 = 1 0 9 V/m , R = 6 m , 1 4 π ϵ 0 = 9 × 1 0 9 {E}_{0} = 10^{9} \text{ V/m} , R= 6 \text{ m} , \frac{1}{4\pi {\epsilon}_{0}} = 9 \times 10^{9}


The answer is 3.

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2 solutions

Mvs Saketh
Apr 21, 2015

amazing problem, thanks

Consider two equal yet opposite charges placed on either side of the sphere which produce an electric charge at the centre , as the distance between the charges tends to infinity, they tend to produce a near horizontal electric field at the centre

Let us make some quick observations - The potential due to the external system is 0 at the centre, hence we will take the origin as our refference point for the potential due to this field (not necessary ) - The sphere being conducting will gather surface charge over it so as to maintain its equipotential surface

Now from image theory we know that the Induced dipole will have each charge as

Q R L \frac {QR}{L} at a distance R 2 L \frac {R^2}{L} from centre each

and the dipole moment ?

their product times 2

= Q R 3 L 2 \frac {QR^3}{L^2}

now the electric field at the centre (or around the centre) by external charges is simply E o = k Q L 2 E_o = \frac {kQ}{L^2}

using both equations we claim

E R 3 k \frac {ER^3}{k} = dipole moment induced

now, comes the part which i think is most awesome

, The potential at any point in space outside or just on sphere is the sum of the potential of image charges and the sum of the potential due to external charges with appropriate refference points,

We have to link the potential with surface charge density

First , Let us find the potential

it is

k p c o s ( θ ) r 2 f o r t h e d i p o l e ( w . r . t a n d r E c o s ( θ \frac {kpcos(\theta)}{r^2} for \quad the \quad dipole (w.r.t \infty \quad and \quad -rEcos(\theta for external field (w.r.t 0 ) )

which can be easily written down as

(the minus signs comes from the opposite orientation of dipoles)

E ( r 3 R 2 c o s ( θ ) c o s ( θ ) ) E\left( \frac { { r }^{ 3 } }{ R^2 } cos(\theta )-cos(\theta ) \right)

now we use gauss law at the surface to claim that

E j u s t o u t E j u s t i n = σ ε δ V δ r a t r = R = 3 E c o s ( θ ) { E }_{ just\quad out }-{ E }_{ just\quad in }=\frac { \sigma }{ \varepsilon } \approx \quad \frac { \delta V }{ \delta r } { | }_{ at\quad r=R }=\quad -3Ecos(\theta)

(Because electric field just inside is 0)

(E represents the normal component of field, the one that contributes to flux)

now we simply integrate it all over one surface using

q = σ d A q=\int { \sigma dA } over the needed area

to get answer as 3

(i think every one can do that part, so i skipped)

Nice solution my approach was a little different . I was thinking about this for a while then a thing immediately came to my mind. Electric field in a cavity made in a sphere of uniform charge is constant everywhere.

Think more over it, this is an interesting approach.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Yes, i think i got it , but i must analyse it more, We can assume that this is the field in a cavity of some sphere, and then we can find the image sphere corresponding to this inside the conducting sphere,

and then proceed, interesting

Yet another way is to consider this to be the limiting case of two spheres of opposite charges almost completely overlapping (since, in the common region, the field is uniform, and in the limit of complete overlap, they generate a near spherical structure with a uniform field inside

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

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I did it with the second approach. I am not very comfortable with image theory trying to understand it.

I understood image theory in case of a plane but not in the case of sphere.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Ronak Agarwal indeed, i had a great deal of trouble in trying to understand it before , because it feels very guilty to use it without understanding, but once understood, it feels amazing, Edward M Purcell Electromagnetism, you may try it, i think its pretty good

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Mvs Saketh Did you bought this book

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Ronak Agarwal Actually, i am a pirate

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Mvs Saketh Haha! @Ronak Agarwal Here's torrent link for you...

Electricity and Magnetism 3rd Ed Purcell

Pranjal Jain - 6 years, 1 month ago

Is it this that you mean: That charge separation will take place in the sphere till the electric field due to these induced(separated) charges will nullify the effect of the already present electric field( E 0 ) E_0) as the net electric field inside the conductor is zero!

Miraj Shah - 5 years, 2 months ago

Awesome Problem.... ! I didn't able to solve after lot try... Hey Saketh , How what is image thoery ...?

I'am Trying to solve by using this Laplase formula...

ρ = ϵ d E d x \displaystyle{\rho =\epsilon \cfrac { dE }{ dx } }

how to solve by this approach ? should I take an disc element at x distance from Hemisphere ... ?

Can you guys please put some light on it?

@Mvs Saketh @Ronak Agarwal

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 1 month ago

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I too have used Laplace formula, but the thing is, just inside sphere electric field is 0, so

E o E i = E o = d V d r E_o - E_i = E_o = \frac {dV}{dr} at r=R

= σ ϵ \frac {\sigma}{\epsilon}

( look at my solution)

But, you cant use Laplace formula directly since the field is not only due to the external field but also the one due to the charges that are induced on the sphere

google image theory, you will find it

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

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ahh ... yes u are correct... Thanks for finding my mistake..... Yes I'am trying to understand your solution ... ! Also googling it... Thanks

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 1 month ago
Spandan Senapati
Mar 4, 2017

Quite a good problem.What one could think of this is analysing a similar situation in which the field is constant everywhere.So we consider a charge distribution on the surface of a sphere given by s i g m a = k c o s @ sigma=kcos@ .This charge distribution produces a constant field everywhere inside given by E = k / 3 £ E=k/3£ (This could be analysed with the case of 2 overlapping oppositely charged clouds just to completely overlap).So note that the net field inside must be zero so that the sphere produces a constant field everywhere.So we have a exactly same situation.The distribution of charge on the sphere is s i g m a = k c o s @ sigma=kcos@ where @ is the angle made with the X axis and E = k / 3 £ E=k/3£ So now its just a matter of integration......Or you may refer to IRODOV problem 3.17......The integral gives Q = 3 E R ( 2 ) / 4 k Q=3ER^(2)/4k as the required answer....

Bro awesome solution.

How to become good at problem solving in physics? (I know it is wide question)

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years, 1 month ago

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I believe in this comment strongly "hardwork beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".And you know what hard means when it comes to problem solving.The more you indulge in problem solving,creativity the more you expand your knowledge...Keep trying....

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 1 month ago

Oh this one I was sitting idle after having lunch and thinking something and suddenly this solution came up to my mind.So I went to my room and started solving this.

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 1 month ago

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