Christmas Streak 16/88: Hell in 1997

There are two functions P ( x ) P(x) and Q ( x ) . Q(x).

y = P ( x ) y=P(x) and y = Q ( x ) y=Q(x) meets with the x x -axis at 8 and 15 points, respectively.

An infinite set A = { ( x , y ) P ( x ) Q ( y ) = 0 and P ( y ) Q ( x ) = 0 , x , y R } A=\{(x,~y)|P(x)Q(y)=0~\text{and}~P(y)Q(x)=0,~x,~y\in \mathbb{R}\} has a subset B = { ( x , y ) ( x , y ) A and x = y } . B=\{(x,~y)|(x,~y)\in A~\text{and}~x=y\}.

Find the maximum of the number of elements of B . B.


This problem is from 1997 Korean SAT Maths section for Liberal Arts.

This problem is a part of <Christmas Streak 2017> series .

6 8 21 22 24 9 7 23

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1 solution

Boi (보이)
Oct 13, 2017

Consider expressing B B as: { ( x , x ) P ( x ) Q ( x ) = 0 } . \{(x,~x)|P(x)Q(x)=0\}.

The number of elements of B B would be maximized if P ( x ) = 0 P(x)=0 and Q ( x ) = 0 Q(x)=0 have distinct roots, which means if P ( a ) = 0 , P(a)=0, Q ( a ) 0 Q(a)\neq0 and vise versa.

However, the answer cannot be 23. 23.

This is because the problem has stated that A = { ( x , y ) P ( x ) Q ( y ) = 0 and P ( y ) Q ( x ) = 0 } A=\{(x,~y)|P(x)Q(y)=0~\text{and}~P(y)Q(x)=0\} is an infinite set.

If P ( x ) = 0 P(x)=0 and Q ( x ) = 0 Q(x)=0 don't have any common roots, then any root of P ( x ) = 0 , α , P(x)=0,~\alpha, would satisfy P ( α ) Q ( y ) = 0. P(\alpha)Q(y)=0.

However, since Q ( α ) 0 , Q(\alpha)\neq0, we can see that P ( y ) = 0 P(y)=0 is mandatory. But since P ( x ) = 0 P(x)=0 has finite roots, A A would be a finite set.

This is a contradiction, so we can think of a situation where P ( x ) = 0 P(x)=0 and P ( y ) = 0 P(y)=0 has exactly one common root, β . \beta.

Then not only P ( β ) Q ( y ) = 0 P(\beta)Q(y)=0 but P ( y ) Q ( β ) = 0 P(y)Q(\beta)=0 as well. Therefore, y y can be any reals, thus making A A an infinite set.

Therefore the maximum of the number of elements of B B is 7 (distinct roots of P) + 14 (distinct roots of Q) + 1 (common root) = 22 . 7\text{(distinct roots of P)}+14\text{(distinct roots of Q)}+1\text{(common root)}=\boxed{22}.


P.S. When this problem was given in the Korean SAT, only 0.08% of the students got it right. (Majority of the students wrote 23 as the answer.)

I'm pretty sure one of the reasons it's answered incorrectly is because the "infinite" part is hidden like that. Rephrasing as "Define A = A = \ldots . It is known that A A is infinite, and..." will put more emphasis on the infinite part. Poor phrasing by the problem, or poor reading comprehension by the students? I can't say.

Ivan Koswara - 3 years, 7 months ago

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In 1997, it hadn't been that long since the Korean SAT started, so I guess the cause was they weren't that much prepared.

And yes, the question is also testing if a person can read the question carefully enough.

Boi (보이) - 3 years, 7 months ago

This was a good problem, but not for a standardized test. Thanks for sharing.

James Wilson - 3 years, 7 months ago

Where do you find all these csat problems, and can you post more?

keanu ac - 3 years, 7 months ago

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I'm a Korean, and so they're pretty accessible to me. ^^;

And okay, I will!

Boi (보이) - 3 years, 7 months ago

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So do you have access to full tests? I've been looking for harder standardized tests for math.

keanu ac - 3 years, 7 months ago

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@Keanu Ac Yeah I do.

Boi (보이) - 3 years, 7 months ago

Infinity is an important word which people ignore. Nice problem.

Srikanth Tupurani - 2 years, 7 months ago

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