Co-Normal Parabolic Centroid

Geometry Level 5

Centroid of triangle formed by three Co-Normal points A ( x 1 , y 1 ) , B ( x 2 , y 2 ) and C ( x 3 , y 3 ) A(x_1, y_1), B(x_2, y_2) \text{ and } C(x_3, y_3) on parabola y 2 = 8 x y^2 = 8x is G ( 4 , 0 ) G(4, 0) . Two of the three points A , B and C A, B \text{ and } C lie above the x-axis \text{x-axis} or \underline{\text{or}} one of the point lies on x-axis. The normals drawn on parabola y 2 = 8 x y^2 = 8x at A , B and C A, B \text{ and } C are concurrent at M ( h , k ) M(h, k) .

If h = a h = a and k > b k \gt b , enter answer as a 2 + b 2 a^2 + b^2 .


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The answer is 116.

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2 solutions

Aryan Sanghi
Aug 25, 2020

Comparing the equation y 2 = 8 x y^2 = 8x with y 2 = 4 a x y^2 = 4ax , we get a = 2 a=2

Let the points be A ( 2 t 1 2 , 4 t 1 ) , B ( 2 t 2 2 , 4 t 2 ) , C ( 2 t 3 2 , 4 t 3 ) A(2t_1^2, 4t_1), B(2t_2^2, 4t_2), C(2t_3^2, 4t_3) . Let the points A and B A \text{ and } B lie above x-axis. As the points are co-normal, so t 1 + t 2 + t 3 = 0 t_1 + t_2 + t_3 = 0

The normals at the points are concurrent at M ( h , k ) M ( 2 a + a ( t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 1 t 2 ) , a t 1 t 2 ( t 1 + t 2 ) ) M(h, k) \equiv M(2a + a(t_1^2 + t_2^2 + t_1t_2), -at_1t_2(t_1 + t_2)) . The centroid of the triangle is G ( a 3 ( t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 3 2 ) , 0 ) \displaystyle G\bigg(\frac{a}{3}(t_1^2 + t_2^2 + t_3^2), 0\bigg) .

Comparing, with centroid, we get

a 3 ( t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 3 2 ) = 4 \frac{a}{3}(t_1^2 + t_2^2 + t_3^2) = 4

2 3 ( t 1 2 + t 2 2 + ( t 1 t 2 ) 2 ) = 4...... ( As t 1 + t 2 + t 3 = 0 ) \frac23(t_1^2 + t_2^2 + (-t_1 -t_2)^2) = 4...... (\text{As } t_1 + t_2 + t_3 = 0)

t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 1 t 2 = 3 \boxed{t_1^2 + t_2^2 + t_1t_2 = 3}


So,

h = 2 a + a ( t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 1 t 2 ) h = 2a + a(t_1^2 + t_2^2 + t_1t_2)

h = 10 \boxed{h = 10}

Now, applying AM-GM inequality , we get

t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 1 t 2 3 t 1 3 t 2 3 3 \frac{t_1^2 + t_2^2 + t_1t_2}{3} \geq \sqrt[3]{t_1^3t_2^3}

1 t 1 t 2 1 \geq t_1t_2

t 1 t 2 1 ( 1 ) \boxed{t_1t_2 \leq 1} \ldots (1)


Now,

t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 1 t 2 = 3 t_1^2 + t_2^2 + t_1t_2 = 3

( t 1 + t 2 ) 2 = 3 + t 1 t 2 3 + 1 ( By ( 1 ) ) (t_1 + t_2)^2 = 3 + t_1t_2 \leq 3 + 1 \ldots (\text{By } (1))

( t 1 + t 2 ) 2 4 (t_1 + t_2)^2 \leq 4

t 1 + t 2 2 ( 2 ) \boxed{t_1 + t_2 \leq 2} \ldots (2)

By ( 1 ) (1) and ( 2 ) (2)

t 1 t 2 ( t 1 + t 2 ) 2 t_1t_2(t_1 + t_2) \leq 2 k = a t 1 t 2 ( t 1 + t 2 ) k = -at_1t_2(t_1 + t_2) k > 4 \boxed{k \gt -4}


Therefore, h = a = 10 and k > 4 = b h = a = 10 \text{ and } k \gt -4 = b

So, a 2 + b 2 = 116 \color{#3D99F6}{\boxed{a^2 + b^2 = 116}}

@Aryan Sanghi A very nice problem and a nice solution thanks for posting.
Upvoted.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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Thanku @Lil Doug

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Aryan Sanghi welcome.
I want you to upload more coordinate geometry hard problems.
Thanks in advance.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley Sure, I'll try to make more problems. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Aryan Sanghi @Aryan Sanghi and I will try to post solutions :)

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley Ohk, that's excellent. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

@Aryan Sanghi A nice problem. Loved how you made this. Keep up the good work

ANUBHAB GOSWAMI - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ANUBHAB GOSWAMI thanku very much. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

@Aryan Sanghi You just reuploaded the problem bro.
There is nothing wrong in the previous one.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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I am deleting the previous comment as people will know the answer else. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Aryan Sanghi can we again rewrite thoose comments also?

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 2 weeks ago
Mark Hennings
Aug 26, 2020

The equation of the normal to the parabola at the point ( 2 t 2 , 4 t ) (2t^2,4t) is t x + y = 4 t + 2 t 3 tx + y = 4t + 2t^3 . Thus M ( h , k ) M(h,k) lies on three normals provided that the cubic equation f ( t ) = t 3 + ( 2 1 2 h ) t 1 2 k = 0 f(t) \; = \; t^3 + (2 - \tfrac12h)t - \tfrac12k \; = \; 0 has three real roots. It these three roots are t 1 , t 2 , t 3 t_1,t_2,t_3 , then t 1 + t 2 + t 3 = 0 t_1 + t_2 + t_3 = 0 and t 1 t 2 + t 1 t 3 + t 2 t 3 = 2 1 2 h t_1t_2 + t_1t_3 + t_2t_3 = 2 - \tfrac12h , and hence t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 3 2 = h 4 t_1^2+t_2^2+t_3^2 = h - 4 . Thus the centroid of A , B , C A,B,C is G G with coordinates ( 2 3 ( t 1 2 + t 2 2 + t 3 2 ) , 4 3 ( t 1 + t 2 + t 3 ) ) = ( 2 3 ( h 4 ) , 0 ) \left(\tfrac23(t_1^2+t_2^2+t_3^2),\tfrac43(t_1+t_2+t_3)\right) \; = \; \left(\tfrac23(h-4),0\right) and hence we deduce that h = 10 h=10 . Thus f ( t ) = t 3 3 t 1 2 k f(t) = t^3 - 3t - \tfrac12k has turning points at ± 1 \pm1 .

For f ( t ) f(t) to have at least two non-negative roots, we need f ( 0 ) 0 > f ( 1 ) f(0) \ge 0 > f(1) , which implies that 4 < k 0 -4 < k \le 0 . Thus a = 10 a=10 and b = 4 b = -4 , making the answer 116 \boxed{116} .

As always, excellent solution sir. Thanku for sharing it with us. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 2 weeks ago

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