Cocassi Function

Algebra Level 2

{ a ( b + c ) = 32 b ( c + a ) = 65 c ( a + b ) = 77 \large \begin{cases} { a(b+c)=32 } \\ { b(c+a) = 65 } \\ {c(a+b) = 77 } \end{cases}

Given that a , b , a , b, and c c are positive real numbers that satisfy the system of equations above, find the value of a b c abc .


The answer is 110.

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33 solutions

a b + b c + c a = 32 + 65 + 77 2 = 87 ab+bc+ca=\frac{32+65+77}{2}=87 a b c = ( 87 32 ) ( 87 65 ) ( 87 77 ) = 110 abc=\sqrt{(87-32)*(87-65)*(87-77)}=\boxed{110}

Could you maybe expand your solution a little bit more please?

Patrick Engelmann - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Hint: state 87 32 , 87 65 , 87 77 87 - 32, 87-65, 87-77 in terms of the 3 given equations and a b + b c + c a ab+bc+ca

Pi Han Goh - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Still doesn't make sense

Jonas Senzige - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Jonas Senzige Try expanding the polynomials, e.g. a(b+c)=ab+ac, so ab+ac=32, ba(ab)+bc=65, ca(ac)+cb(bc)=77. Hint:sum them up :)

Jeff Giff - 1 year ago

Smarter way

Harsh Bhakta - 6 years, 8 months ago

It's Heron's formula. He interpreted it geometrically, utilising this formula.

Rico Lee - 4 years, 6 months ago

can you pls mention the basic formula used in 2nd step. I also strtd to solve dis way.

SABYASACHI BANERJEE - 6 years, 8 months ago

Dddd, can you explain your method?

Jonas Senzige - 6 years, 8 months ago

It definitely feels intuitively right but I don't know why. It reminds me of statistical deviation.

Brandon Charbonnel - 6 years ago

Shortest way is the best way

Tonmai Sarmah - 4 years, 6 months ago

This method is outstanding.

Get the value of ab + bc + ac by adding all 3 given equations and dividing by 2. Then:

bc = (ab + bc + ac) - a(b + c) = 87 - 32 = 55 ac = (ab + bc + ac) - b(c + a) = 87 - 65 = 22 ab = (ab + bc + ac) - c(a + b) = 87 - 77 = 10

abc = √ (ab . bc . ac) = √ (5x11 x 2x11 x 2x5) = 2 x 5 x 11 = 110

Great work!!

B K - 4 years, 5 months ago

{ a ( b + c ) = 32 b ( c + a ) = 65 c ( a + b ) = 77 \begin{cases} a(b+c)=32 \\ b(c+a)=65 \\ c(a+b)=77 \end{cases}

{ a b + c a = 32 b c + a b = 65 c a + b c = 77 \Rightarrow \begin{cases} ab+ca=32 \\ bc+ab=65 \\ ca+bc=77 \end{cases}

Equation 2 - equation 1:

{ b c c a = 33 c a + b c = 77 \Rightarrow \begin{cases} bc-ca= 33 \\ ca+bc=77 \end{cases}

Add the two equations together:

2 b c = 110 b c = 55 \Rightarrow 2bc = 110 \quad \Rightarrow bc = 55

Substituting b c = 55 bc = 55 in the appropriate equations, we get a b = 10 ab = 10 and c a = 22 ca = 22 .

Therefore,

a b × b c × c a = 10 × 55 × 22 ab \times bc \times ca= 10 \times 55 \times 22

( a b c ) 2 = 2 2 5 2 1 1 2 = ( 110 ) 2 a b c = 110 (abc)^2 = 2^25^211^2 = (110)^2\quad \Rightarrow abc = \boxed {110}

same here ;)

Eve Gayle Garcia - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Yeah right

Aniket Gupta - 5 years, 4 months ago

solve eq. 3rd first a=2,b=5,c=11 hence 3rd condition is fullfill and also other eq

dolly gupta - 6 years, 8 months ago

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How did you solve the equation?

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago

unnecessary step, once you have the values and you clearly have each term squared you can solve directly no need to solve for each variable

Sara D - 6 years, 8 months ago

From eq 3. c=7 and a=6,b=5 or 7 &4. So solution can not directly conclude from 3rd eq.

Sam C - 6 years, 8 months ago

77+65-32=110

Rahul Parmar - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Wrong way.

Zakir Dakua - 5 years, 8 months ago

how did you get bc - ca? how can you subtract those two equations?

Jaymund Ostonal - 6 years, 8 months ago

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b c + a b ( a b + c a ) = 65 32 b c c a = 33 bc + ab - (ab + ca) = 65 - 32 \Rightarrow bc - ca = 33

Chew-Seong Cheong - 6 years, 8 months ago

by solving the three equations : ab = 10 bc = 55 ac=22 c=22/a b=10/a a=2 b=5 c=11 then abc = 110

Yousef mohamed - 6 years, 8 months ago

I also solved it this way...

Asha Gupta - 6 years, 8 months ago

Cheong's approach is the right approach to the question

Jonas Senzige - 6 years, 8 months ago

c'mon I look dumb

James Cooper Tumulak - 6 years, 8 months ago

After getting bc=55 , No need to substitute back into the equations , as 55 is factored into prime numbers then 55=5 11 then from eqn a(b+c) = 32 => a(5+11) =32 or a(11+5) =32 then a= 2 at last , a b c= 2 5*11 = 110

Keshav Gaur - 6 years, 1 month ago

Can it b done within a short time!

Sayeda Begum - 5 years, 6 months ago

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Yes, sum all equation and divide by 2 , you will get ab+bc+ac=87, so next subtract all equation from this equation, you will get bc = 55, ca =22 , ab = 10. Then multiply these 3, get (abc)^2 = 12100, abc = 110.

Zakir Dakua - 5 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, get all the factors of each number and then use trial and error. A = 2 or 4 or 8 or 16 B = 5 or 13 C = 7 or 11

First try: if A = 2, then 32/2 = 16 so b+c = 16. This is true for b = 5 and c =11 Confirm with the other two equations, they are all true then 2 * 5 * 11 = 110

Melissa Flaquer - 5 years, 4 months ago
Paul Salvesen
Oct 7, 2014

process of elimination and a real simple trial and error works here too. one of the equations kinda gives this away.

only one combination of numbers gets you 77 and that is 7 and 11.

that means c=either 7 or 11 and (a+b) is the other.

using the value of c as 11 in the first equation makes b only possible as being 5 and a only possible as being 2. these values prove out on the middle equation as well.

2x5x11 = 110

Kudos! did it the same way :)

Adwait Goel - 6 years, 8 months ago

I did as well with the second and 3rd statements be products of primes and the first statement being a prime power of 2 it worked well as a logic problem.

Owen Berendes - 5 years, 4 months ago

a b c are real numbers 11 and 7 aren't the only possible solutions for xy=77

Melkaoui Anas - 4 years, 5 months ago
Rohit Sachdeva
Oct 4, 2014

Let ab=X

bc=Y

ac=Z

T h e n , X + Z = 32 Then, X+Z=32

X + Y = 65 X+Y=65

Y + Z = 77 Y+Z=77

X + Y + Z = ( 32 + 65 + 77 ) / 2 = 87 X+Y+Z=(32+65+77)/2=87

H e n c e , X = 87 77 = 10 Hence, X=87-77=10

Y = 87 32 = 55 Y=87-32=55

Z = 87 65 = 22 Z=87-65=22

X Y Z = ( a b ) ( b c ) ( a c ) = ( a b c ) 2 = 55 22 10 = 1 1 2 1 0 2 XYZ=(ab)(bc)(ac)=(abc)^{2}=55*22*10=11^{2}*10^{2}

a b c = 11 10 = 110 abc=11*10=\boxed{110}

Why u devide on 2

Mena Max - 4 years, 7 months ago
Barry Evans
Oct 9, 2014

I did trial and error: 65 had to be 5 x 13 and 77 = 7 x 11, noting that two of those four numbers, 5 and 11, add to 16, a factor of 32...QED

@Barry, that was my solution as well. c = 7 or 11; b = 5 or 13; so, b+c = 12, 16, 20, or 24 but, a(b+c) = 32, so b+c = 16 that means b=5, c=11, a=2; abc = 110

Richard Levine - 6 years, 8 months ago

Richard even i did that!

Shaurya Garg - 6 years, 8 months ago
Somesh Singh
Oct 8, 2014

my method was a more novel one even though it was risky...I didn't solve it by algebra but by reasoning...for that I had to take the risk of assuming that a, b and c are integers!!! I started from the last equation and deduced that c could either be 11 or 7 as 77 has only these as its integral factors. Therefore b+a would be either 7 or 11. then I turned to the second equation and saw that b could either be 13 or 5 but if b would be 13 then b+a not= 7 and b+a not =11 as both a and b are positive hence we get b=5 and c+a=13... now as pointed out earlier c could either be 11 or 7 which gives a=2 or a=6... but looking at the first equation a can never be 6 b'cuz 6 is not a factor of 32, hence a=2.. so abc=2x5x11=110... It may look lengthy, but it is far more easier than solving the equations thing and certainly more professional..The only catch is the assumption that we took that all of them are integers which I was 95% sure would be the case!!!

Gokul Makwana
Oct 7, 2014

simplify and perform addition and subtraction on equation

you will get ab: 10 bc: 55 ac: 22

multiply all, you ll get

ab bc ac = 55 22 10 ( 5 11 2 11 2*5)

take root of this

abc = 110

SOLVE : Given, a(b+c)=32 ---(1) b(c+a)=65 ---(2) c(a+b)=77 ---(3)

Now adding (1),(2),(3) => a(b+c) + b(c+a) +c(a+b) =32+65+77 =>2(ab+bc+ca) =174 [ ̇. ̇ a(b+c) + b(c+a) + c(a+b) = 2(ab+bc+ca) ] => ab+bc+ca = 87 We have to find the value of abc . abc = √ ̅ ̅ ̅(a²b²c²) = √ ̅(bc.ca.ab) = √ ̅ ̅ [{ab+bc+ca-a(b+c)} {ab+bc+ca-b(c+a)} {ab+bc+ca-c(a+b)}] = √ ̅ ̅ { (87-32) (87-65) (87-77) } = √ ̅ (55x22x10) = √ ̅ ̅ (12100) = 110

Gabriel Chacón
Jan 18, 2019

Yet another way. My idea was to factor the numbers and check for integer solutions, which I found right away, as there were not many combinations to try:

{ a ( b + c ) = 2 5 b ( c + a ) = 5 13 c ( a + b ) = 7 11 \begin{cases} a(b+c)=2^5 \\ b(c+a)=5\cdot 13 \\ c(a+b)=7\cdot 11 \end{cases}

In the 3rd equation, if c = 11 c=11 , then a + b = 7 a+b=7 . In the second, if b = 5 b=5 , then a a must be 2 2 and this value also satisfies a + c = 13 a+c=13 (So far, so good!). We finally check if these values satisfy the first equation: 2 ( 5 + 11 ) = 32 2\cdot(5+11)=32 (They do!).

Therefore, a b c = 2 5 11 = 110 abc=2\cdot5\cdot11=\boxed{110}

Alexis Lucattini
Jan 3, 2017

My solution won't work for every simultaneous equation, but it's quite simple for this one, and doesn't require the use of a calculator. First split each of the totals into their prime factors.

32 => 2^5

65 => 13 * 5

77 => 11 * 7

We notice that 65 and 77 have only two factors. This means that b must be 13 or 5 and c must be 11 or 7.

Using equation 1, b+c must be power of 2, so we can deduce that b must be 5 and c must be 11 to give b+c = 16.

a * 16 = 32: a = 2

a * b * c = 2 * 5 * 11 = 110

Youssef Hassan F
Jan 12, 2016

a(b+c)=32

b(c+a)=65

c(a+b)=77

that means that a is 2 or 4 or 8 or 16 or 32

and b is or 5 or 13

and c is 7 or 11

so b must be 5 and c must be 11 why ?

bec the sum of b + c must be a factor of 32 and 5 + 11 = 16 that an factor of 32

so a must be 2 why ?

bec 32 / (b + c) = a so 32 / 16 = 2

now abc = 2 * 5 * 11 = 110

Arpit MIshra
Jan 27, 2015

a(b+c)= 32 = ab + ac

b(c+a)= 65 = bc+ac

c(a+b)= 77 = ac+bc

2ab+2ac+2bc=32+65+77=174

2ab+2ac+2bc-ab-ac-ab-ac= 2bc=110

bc= 55

2ab+2ac+2bc-ab-bc-ab-bc= 2ac=44

ac= 22

2ab+2ac+2bc-bc-ac-bc-ac= 2ab=20

ab= 10

ac*bc = 1210

abc*c when divided by ab = 1210 divided by 10

= c*c= 121

c= 11

therefore

ab c = 10 11

abc= 110_

Anna Anant
Nov 16, 2014

by solving the three equations : ab = 10 bc = 55 ac=22 c=22/a b=10/a a=2 b=5 c=11 then abc = 110

Madhav Srirangan
Nov 2, 2014

expand equations into (1),(2),(3) find (2)-(1),(3)-(2),(3)-(1) and assume them as (4),(5),(6) find(3)+(6) to get bc=55 find (1)+(5) to get ac=22 divide bc and ac to get b/a=5/2--->b=5/2a substitute b=5/2a in (5) to get a=2 multiply a*bc to get abc=110 therefore, abc=110

a(b+c)=32 (1) b(c+a)=65 (2) c(a+b)=77 (3)

Cộng cả 3 vế 3 đẳng thức đã cho theo vế ta được : 2(ab+bc+ca)=174 Từ đó suy ra : ab+bc+ca=87 (4)

Từ (1)+(4) ta được : bc+a(b+c)=87 => bc=87-a(b+c)=87-32=55 Tương tự : (2)+(4) : ca=22 (3)+(4) : ab=10 Nhân các vế lại với nhau ta được : (abc)^2=55x22x10=12100 => abc=110 (ok)

Raja Kotha
Oct 24, 2014

ab+ac=32 ab=32-ac bc+ba=65
ca+cb=77 ac=77-cb

bc=32-ac=65 bc=32+cb-77=65 bc=55 55+ba=65 ba=10 ca=22 (55/b)(10/b)=22 22 b b=550 b=5 c=11 a=2 abc=110

Aditya Gupta
Oct 17, 2014

a(b+c)=32, i.e. ab+ac=32 ...(1)

b(c+a)=65, i.e. bc+ab=65 ...(2)

c(a+b)=77, i.e. ac+bc=77 ...(3)

subtracting (2) from (1)

ac-bc = -33 ...(4)

adding (4) and (3)

2ac=44

ac=22

from (1) ab=10

from (3) bc=55

now, ac * ab * bc = 22 * 10 * 55 = 12100

therefore, (abc)^2 = 12100

therefore, abc = 110

Soumo Mukherjee
Oct 13, 2014

W h e n I r e m o v e d t h e b r a c k e t s I g o t a b + c a = 32 . . . ( B ) b c + a b = 65 . . . ( C ) c a + b c = 77 . . . ( A ) N o t h i n g s p e c i a l ? M a y b e . I g o t v a l u e o f 2 a b + 2 c a + 2 b c s t a r i n g a t m e A n d v a l u e s o f a b , b c & a c s m i l i n g a t m e . w h a t t o d o w i t h a b , b c & a c ? m u l t i p l y ? Y e a h ! T h a t s t h e s o l u t i o n d i s s o l v i n g t h e p r o b l e m . u s i n g : a b + c a + b c = 87. & a b + A = 87 ; b c + B = 87 ; c a + C = 87 , g o t a b , b c & c a ( 10 , 55 & 22 r e s p e c t i v e l y ) N o w , l e t s d i s s o l v e i t : m u l t i p l y i n g a b , b c & c a w e g e t t h i s : ( a b c ) 2 = 22 × 10 × 55 g i v i n g a b c = 110. T a d a ! When\quad I\quad removed\quad the\quad brackets\quad I\quad got\\ ab+ca=32\quad ...(B)\\ bc+ab=65\quad ...(C)\\ ca+bc=77\quad ...(A)\\ Nothing\quad special?May\quad be.\\ I\quad got\quad value\quad of\quad 2ab+2ca+2bc\quad staring\quad at\quad me\\ And\quad values\quad of\quad ab,\quad bc\quad \& \quad ac\quad smiling\quad \quad at\quad me.\\ what\quad to\quad do\quad with\quad ab,\quad bc\quad \& \quad ac?multiply?\\ Yeah!That's\quad the\quad solution\quad dissolving\quad the\quad problem.\\ using:\\ ab+ca+bc=87.\quad \& \\ ab+A=87;bc+B=87;ca+C=87,\\ got\quad ab,bc\& ca(10,55\& 22\quad respectively)\\ \\ Now,lets\quad dissolve\quad it:\quad multiplying\quad ab,bc\& ca\\ we\quad get\quad this:({ abc) }^{ 2 }=22\times 10\times 55\\ giving\quad abc=110.Tada!\\ \\

Anirudha Devadkar
Oct 11, 2014

Note that from subtracting the three equations:

ac + cb - bc - ab - ab - ac = 77 - 65 - 32 = -20

ab = 10

So from first equation then:

10 + ac = 32 => ac = 22

Second equation:

bc + 10 = 65 => bc = 55

Now:

(ab)(ac)(bc) = 10 22 55

abc = sqrt(10 22 55) = 110

Antonio Fanari
Oct 10, 2014

{ a ( b + c ) = 32 b ( c + a ) = 65 c ( a + b ) = 77 \begin{cases}a(b+c)=32\\b(c+a)=65\\c(a+b)=77\end{cases}

adding 1 s t 1st\, with 2 n d 2nd\, and subtracting 3 r d 3rd\, :

a b = 10 ; ab=10;\, (i)

adding 1 s t 1st\, and 3 r d 3rd\, and subctracting 2 n d 2nd\, :

a c = 22 ; ac=22;\, (ii)

adding 2 n d 2nd\, and 3 r d 3rd\, and subctracting 1 s t 1st\, :

b c = 55 ; bc=55;\, (iii)

from (i): a = 10 b ; a=\frac {10} b ;\, substituting in (ii) and (iii):

10 c b = 22 ; c = 22 b 10 ; \frac {10c} b = 22; c = \frac {22b} {10}; multiplying by b b\, and remembering (iii):

22 b 2 10 = 55 ; b 2 = 25 ; b = 5 ; \frac {22b^2} {10} = 55;\,{b^2} = 25;\, b = 5;\, (iv)

substituting in (iii) and (i):

c = 11 ; a = 2 ; c = 11;\, a = 2;

a , b , c = ( 2 , 5 , 11 ) ; a b c = 110 a, b, c = (2, 5, 11);\, abc = \boxed {110}

Shivam Pandey
Oct 9, 2014

Add all 3 solutions, we'll get 2(ab+bc+ca)= 174 hence ab+bc+ca=87............equation-4 now, subtract, eq-1 from eq-4 eq-2 from eq-4 eq-3 from eq-4, which gives bc=55 ac=22 ab=10 From bc and ac "c is common" and in 55 and 22 "11 is common factor" so, c=11 a=2, b=5 hence, abc=110

Bikesh Singh
Oct 9, 2014

Adding all eqtn and dividing by 2 we get ab+ac+bc=87 Using this in all the eqn we get ab=10 bc=55 ac=22 ab*ac=a²bc=220 Hence,a²=4 a=2 And so on, b=5 c=11 So, abc=110

William Chau
Oct 8, 2014

Adding the equations,

2(ab+bc+ca) = 174,

ab+bc+ca = 87.

Subtracting the three given equations from this equation to obtain bc = 55, ac = 22, and ab = 10. Multiplying these three new equations to yield

(abc)^2 = 5 * 11 * 2 * 11* 2 * 5,

abc = 5 * 11 * 2 = 110.


Note: There are two correct answers, 110 and -110, since a=-2, b=-5, c=-11 is solution too.


Sorry, "a, b and c are positive real numbers"

Ruben Sanchez - 6 years, 8 months ago
Nitin Choudhary
Oct 8, 2014

a(b+c)=32 b(c+a)=65 c(a+b)=77 now add those 3 eq ab+bc+ac= 174/3=87 abc=((87-32)*(87-65)8(87-77))1/2 abc=110

Tomer Brandes
Oct 8, 2014

subtracting eq 3 of 2, eq 3 of 1 and eq 2 of 1 we get 4: a(c-b)=12 5: b(c-a)=45 6: c(b-a)=33 so we get that 1<=a<b<c from eq 3 we know that c must be 7 or 11, and eq 6 tells us that c is 3 or 11, so c=11 similarly, eq 2 give us b=5 or 13 ; eq 5 says that b can't be worth 13, so b=5 now we may activate eq 1 and get that a=2 a b c=110

Shivdayal Meena
Oct 8, 2014

a(b+c)=3 ...equ(1) b(c+a)=6 ...equ(2) c(a+b)=77 ...equ(3) from equ(1)+equ(2)+equ(3)... ab+bc+ca=87 ...equ(4) solving equ(4) & equ(1)..we get bc=55 ...equ(5) simlary by solving equ(2) & equ(3) with equ(4) we get ab=10 ...equ(6) ca=22 ...equ(7) Now multiply equ(5),equ(6) & equ(7) { a }^{ 2 }{ b }^{ 2 }{ c }^{ 2 }=12100 abc=sqrt { 12100 } abc=110

Niaz Ghumro
Oct 8, 2014

There are so many ways to solve the system equations. (i) trial and error method: solve eq (i) first a=2,b=5,c=11 hence first condition is fulfilled and equations too. so (abc) =2 5 11=110. (ii) simultaneous equations: Note that subtracting equations (2) and (3) from the first equation, we get ac + cb - bc - ab - ab - ac = 77 - 65 - 32 = -20 ab = 10 So from first equation then: 10 + ac = 32 => ac = 22 Second equation: bc + 10 = 65 => bc = 55 Now (ab)(ac)(bc) = 10 22 55 (abc)^2= (10 22 55) abc = sqrt(10 22 55) = 110

Prasuu Prasanth
Oct 7, 2014

c(a+b)-a(b+c)=77-32=45 b(c-a)=45 and b(c+a)=65 (c-a)/(c+a)=45\65=9\13 (c-a)+(c+a)/(c-a)-(c+a)=9+13/9-13=>2c/2a=22/4=11/2 c=11,a=2 then b=5 so abc=110

Krishna Garg
Oct 6, 2014

Multiplying given equations,and sutracting then adding we get 2bc =110 so bc ==55,substituting this value we getvalues of a=2,b=5 ans c = 11 therefore,abc =110. also by clue from value 77 equation we can guess value of c =11 therefore a+b will be 7 ,then we get a=2 and b =5 Ans K.K.GARG,india

Jai Gupta
Oct 4, 2014

to all its an easy one but interesting one try my previous question and follow me if you like my problems

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Shubhendra Singh - 6 years, 8 months ago

(ab+bc+ca)=(32+65+77)/2 =87,

b(a+c)=87-c*a,

5(11+2)=87-(2*11),

65=65,

a=11, b=5, c=2,

abc=a b c =11x5x2=110.

a & c intrechanged

Prahladan KN - 6 years, 8 months ago
Dipak Bhais
Oct 4, 2014

a=2,b=5,c=11

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