Colliding cylinders

A solid cylinder of radius R is rolling without slipping on a rough horizontal surface. It collides with another identical cylinder which is initially at rest on the surface. The coefficient of restitution for the collision is 1.The coefficient of friction between the cylinders and between each cylinder and the ground is μ \mu .If the final angular velocity of the second cylinder after it starts pure rolling is a b \dfrac{a}{b} where a and b are coprime positive integers find a + b .

Given

\bullet Initial velocity of centre of mass of the first cylinder is 17.5 m/s,

\bullet R = 1 m R=1m

\bullet μ \mu =0.5


The answer is 503.

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1 solution

Satvik Pandey
Mar 20, 2015

Let the initial velocity of the CoM (of cylinder 1) of the cylinder and initial angular velocity of the cylinder be v v and ω \omega respectively. Let ω \omega be in clock wise direction initially.

Let the final velocity of the CoM of (of cylinder 1) the cylinder and final angular velocity of the cylinder be v 0 v_{0} and ω 0 \omega_{0} respectively. Let ω 0 \omega_{0} be in clock wise direction.

Let the final velocity of the CoM (of cylinder 2) be v 1 v_{1} and angular velocity be ω 1 \omega_{1} in anti-clock wise direction.

As net impulse is equal to change in momentum and net angular momentum is equal to the change in angular momentum so

J = m ( v 0 + v ) J=m(v_{0}+v) .....................(1) (Let v v and v 0 v_{0} be in opposite direction)

μ J R = I ( ω 0 ω ) \mu JR=I(\omega_{0}-\omega) .........................(2)

For cylinder 2

As the cylinder don't jump so μ J = J N \mu J=J_{N} (I have neglected mg as it is very small as compared to the impulses)...........................(3)

As net impulse is equal to change in momentum and net angular momentum is equal to the change in angular momentum so

J μ J N = m v 1 J-\mu J_{N}=mv_{1} ...................(4)

I ω 1 = ( μ J μ J N ) R I\omega_{1}=(\mu J-\mu J_{N})R .......(5)

Now as the collision is elastic so we can equate velocity of approach and separation in common normal direction so

v = v 0 + v 1 v=v_{0}+v_{1} .................(6)

On solving these equations we get

v 1 = 6 × 17.5 7 { v }_{ 1 }=\frac { 6\times 17.5 }{ 7 }

and ω 1 = 4 × 17.5 7 { \omega }_{ 1 }=\frac { 4\times 17.5 }{ 7 }

Now we can find final angular angular velocity by conserving angular momentum about point of contact.

So

m v 1 R I ω 1 = m v f R + I ω f mv_{1}R-I\omega_{1}=mv_{f}R+I\omega_{f}

when it starts pure rolling then v f = R ω f v_{f}=R\omega_{f}

On solving this we get

ω f i n a l = 20 3 { \omega }_{ final }=\frac { 20 }{ 3 } . So a + b = 23 a+b=23 :)

what was on 19th march ? was your result day ?

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 2 months ago

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No, that was the last day of my 10 boards exam. :D

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

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ohh , that's great !Hows your boards ? So I guess now you are Enjoying vacations, am i right ? :)

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Deepanshu Gupta Boards were fine. Yes I am enjoying the vacation but at same time I am trying to cover the vast syllabus of class 11. I have heard from many people that syllabus of class 11 and 12 is very large and I am felling that too now. :-O

So, I am presently trying to enjoy my preparations. :)

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey Syllabus of 11th,12th is not that big, with the exception being 12th chemistry.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Ronak Agarwal But don't you think that they are very big as compared to class 10 syllabus. In class we had only 4 and 5 chapters for physics and chemistry but in 11 there is whole set of two books for every subject.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey And I just love this, you see peole who mug up things will suffer here.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Ronak Agarwal Yes I agree. :) Which subject do you like most? Is it physics or Maths?

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey My first love is maths since it amazed me since childhood. But I like physics as well, it is a very interesting subject, in this question it is interesting that the first cylinder jumps up.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Ronak Agarwal That's great!!!

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

Why is the friction μ J \mu J , I mean it depends whether there was sufficient friction or not, how can we assume insufficient friction.

Kindly review my report @Karthik Kannan

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 2 months ago

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I assumed it because it was not mentioned in the question that the friction is sufficient. But it can't be assumed every time.

If the friction would be sufficient then I think the cylinder 1 will roll over the cylinder 2 and that will make the situation even more complicated. So, I made that assumption . But I agree, that this assumption is not always correct.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Interestingly that makes me right here, first assuming that friction is sufficient you must solve this problem and then check whether the friction was sufficient or not you should look at my dispute to the problem there I have the complete solution, and yes the situation becomes more complicated but it can be solved.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Ronak Agarwal (Calvin edit: Reports and disputes are the same thing.)

Could you please help me in viewing dispute? By clicking button at the bottom right corner of the page I am able to view the reports for the question. But how to view dispute for a question?

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Satvik Pandey Try again, viewing the dispute, I have just now completed typing my report and please review it, Thanks.

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 2 months ago

@Satvik Pandey FYI, reports are the same thing as disputes. We changed the name over to reports recently, so let's stick with the word "report". Thanks!

I've edited the other comments, replacing dispute with report.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Calvin Lin Thank you!

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

why I did not getting notification related to these news feed ? Even I see this while checking my Emails .

I'am sorry, you are right Ronak, literally I have totally neglected the sufficient friction case , I Thought this question as simple , and Somehow assumed friction as insufficient , and accidentally I got correct , so i couldn't think even once. How dumb I was . Now I realise this really very interesting question.

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 2 months ago

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I am also not getting notification related to this problem.

satvik pandey - 6 years, 2 months ago

Friction acting on the first cylinder is a decaying one(force) and thus does not enter the impulse-momentum equation What was the dispute about? Satvik's solution seems correct

Suhas Sheikh - 2 years, 11 months ago

Please review my report @Karthik Kannan

Ronak Agarwal - 6 years, 2 months ago

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