Probabilistic Geometry!! \color{#20A900}{\text{Probabilistic Geometry!!}}

You randomly select a point P \color{#3D99F6}{P} on the perimeter \color{#20A900}{\text{perimeter}} of square ABCD \color{#20A900}{\text{square ABCD}} .

Find the Probability \color{#20A900}{\text{Probability}} that Point P \color{#3D99F6}{P} selected is such that you could never form an Equilateral \color{#20A900}{\text{Equilateral}} triangle whose other two vertices Q \color{#3D99F6}{Q} and R \color{#3D99F6}{R} are such that Q \color{#3D99F6}{Q} and R \color{#3D99F6}{R} lie on two opposite sides of square ABCD \color{#20A900}{\text{two opposite sides of square ABCD}} and P, Q and R \color{#3D99F6}{\text{P, Q and R}} lie on distinct sides of square ABCD \color{#20A900}{\text{distinct sides of square ABCD}} .

If your Probability is of form a b where a , b I a - \sqrt{b} \text{ where } a, b \in I , Enter your answer as a 2 + b 2 a^2 + b^2 .


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The answer is 160.

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1 solution

Aryan Sanghi
Jul 21, 2020

Let's do it using coordinate geometry.

Let square be of side a a

Now, each side is symmetric and so, solving using one side gives answer for all sides. So, let's solve considering P \color{#3D99F6}{P} on side A B AB .

So, other two vertices will be on A D AD and B C BC .

Now, when P \color{#3D99F6}{P} is at mid point of A B AB , Q \color{#3D99F6}{Q} and R \color{#3D99F6}{R} will be on A D AD and B C BC such that they are at same distance from side A B AB , by symmetry.

Now, as P \color{#3D99F6}{P} will move to left, Q \color{#3D99F6}{Q} will move up and R \color{#3D99F6}{R} will move down. Similar is true when P \color{#3D99F6}{P} will move right.

At one point, P \color{#3D99F6}{P} will be at such point that Q \color{#3D99F6}{Q} will coincide with D D and R \color{#3D99F6}{R} will be at some point. Similar is true when P \color{#3D99F6}{P} is moved right. At that point, P \color{#3D99F6}{P} can't be moved more as Q \color{#3D99F6}{Q} will go off the sides. Let it be P \color{#3D99F6}{P'}

So, let's find coordinate of P \color{#3D99F6}{P'} at that point.

P Q = Q R = R P or P Q 2 = Q R 2 = R P 2 P'Q' = Q'R' = R'P' \text{ or } P'Q'^2 = Q'R'^2 = R'P'^2

a 2 + x 2 = a 2 + x 2 = ( a x ) 2 + ( a x ) 2 \sqrt{a^2 + x^2} = \sqrt{a^2 + x^2} = \sqrt{(a - x)^2 + (a - x)^2}

Solving, we get x = a ( 2 3 ) x = a(2 - \sqrt3)


Now, Probability that Equilateral triangle can be selected will be twice of P P A B \frac{PP'}{AB} as P \color{#3D99F6}{P} could also be moved right and we have only considered left.

P r o b a b i l i t y = 1 2 P P A B Probability = 1 - 2\frac{PP'}{AB}

P r o b a b i l i t y = 1 2 a 2 a ( 2 3 ) a Probability = 1 - 2\frac{\frac{a}{2} - a(2-\sqrt3)}{a}

P r o b a b i l i t y = 4 12 \color{#3D99F6}{Probability = 4 - \sqrt{12}}

So, a = 4 a = 4 and b = 12 b = 12 and a 2 + b 2 = 160 \boxed{a^2 + b^2 = 160}

You actually didn't give the reason why the P can't move. I mean, Q can't move along DC, but you should give the reason.

Isaac YIU Math Studio - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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I waited for long for another solver. :) Ok I'll do it tomorrow. I am feeling sleepy.

Aryan Sanghi - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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Alright. I actually guess the answer with the steps similar to your solution, but I hope to get the full solution. Thanks anyway :D

Isaac YIU Math Studio - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Btw, how was the problem? @Isaac YIU Math Studio

Aryan Sanghi - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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the title looks a bit weird cuz it is better to say Geometric Probability, but it is fine. The problem is fancy though. It is a greatest question I have seen today!

Isaac YIU Math Studio - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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@Isaac Yiu Math Studio Ohk. Thanks a lot for your appreciation. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Hey, @Aryan Sanghi I got it right. But I had a different approach. I will post a solution , but clear my doubt that will points Q and R always be on the opposite side and they all 3 will be distinct. We only have to find the probability whether it will form a equilatera triangle or not?

Siddharth Chakravarty - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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Yes,, it is mentioned in question that Q and R are on opposite sides of squares and that P, Q and R are on distinct sides. You have to find Probability that P selected is such that You can never select Q and R such that PQR is Equilateral.

Aryan Sanghi - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

@Siddharth Chakravarty

Aryan Sanghi - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

Btw, how was the question? @Siddharth Chakravarty

Aryan Sanghi - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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Very unique, but I would say easy if you do little experimentation but I was confused at first because of the wording because I thought we had to find the combined probability of the points being on distinct sides, thne to be on opposite sides and finally forming an equilateral triangle.

Siddharth Chakravarty - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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