Which Radical Difference Is Greatest?

Algebra Level 2

Which is greater?

8 7 OR 6 5 \Large\sqrt{ \color{#D61F06}{8}} - \sqrt{ \color{#D61F06}{7}} \ \ \ \ \ \text{OR} \ \ \ \ \ \sqrt{ \color{#3D99F6}{6}} - \sqrt{ \color{#3D99F6}{5}}

6 5 \sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5} 8 7 \sqrt{8}-\sqrt{7} Both are equal

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27 solutions

Nihar Mahajan
Oct 14, 2015

8 7 = ( 8 7 ) ( 8 + 7 ) 8 + 7 = ( 8 ) 2 ( 7 ) 2 8 + 7 = 8 7 8 + 7 = 1 8 + 7 \large{\sqrt{8}-\sqrt{7}= \dfrac{(\sqrt{8}-\sqrt{7})(\sqrt{8}+\sqrt{7})}{\sqrt{8}+\sqrt{7}}= \dfrac{\left(\sqrt{8}\right)^2-\left(\sqrt{7}\right)^2}{\sqrt{8}+\sqrt{7}}= \dfrac{8-7}{\sqrt{8}+\sqrt{7}}= \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{8}+\sqrt{7}}}

6 5 = ( 6 5 ) ( 6 + 5 ) 6 + 5 = ( 6 ) 2 ( 5 ) 2 6 + 5 = 6 5 6 + 5 = 1 6 + 5 \large{\sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5}= \dfrac{(\sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5})(\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{5})}{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{5}}= \dfrac{\left(\sqrt{6}\right)^2-\left(\sqrt{5}\right)^2}{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{5}}= \dfrac{6-5}{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{5}}= \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{5}}}

We certainly have:

8 + 7 > 6 + 5 1 8 + 7 < 1 6 + 5 8 7 < 6 5 \large\sqrt{8}+\sqrt{7}> \sqrt{6}+\sqrt{5} \iff \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{8}+\sqrt{7}} < \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{6}+\sqrt{5}} \iff \boxed{\sqrt{8}-\sqrt{7} < \sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5}}

Thus 6 5 \sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5} is greater.

Moderator note:

Good observation with the algebraic conjugates.

good order of thinking

Megha Malyala - 5 years, 6 months ago

This requires out of the box thinkling to solve, atleast for me.

Aryan Kumar - 2 years, 10 months ago

How do u type these equations. I use Word to type equations. Is there any other free software available for typing mathematical equations

Cholavendhan Selvaraj - 5 years, 7 months ago

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there is formatting guide

Megha Malyala - 5 years, 6 months ago

LaTex is a good one.

Hank Huang - 5 years, 7 months ago

We use LaTeX \LaTeX to generate these equations on Brilliant.You can learn it from here

Athiyaman Nallathambi - 5 years, 7 months ago

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Pedro Henrique - 5 years, 7 months ago
Andrew Ellinor
Oct 14, 2015

I'm sure there are plenty of beautiful algebraic solutions to this. But I am a creature of habit, so I will be using calculus.

Both numbers take on the form f ( x ) = x + 1 x f(x) = \sqrt{x + 1} - \sqrt{x} . This function's derivative is f ( x ) = 1 2 x + 1 1 2 x , f'(x) = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x + 1}} - \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}},

which is negative for all x > 0 x > 0 , implying f ( x ) f(x) is decreasing on its entire domain and that f ( 5 ) > f ( 7 ) f(5) > f(7) . Therefore, 6 5 > 8 7 \sqrt{6} - \sqrt{5} > \sqrt{8} - \sqrt{7}

"But I am a creature of habit, so I will be using calculus." Relatable.

Jake Lai - 5 years, 7 months ago

Relatable too! I did the same thing except that I reflected upon how the difference of squares increases as numbers increase (eg. 8^2 - 7^2 is greater than 6^2 - 5^2) and then reasoned that the opposite would be true in the case of square roots.

Raivat Shah - 3 years, 5 months ago

Same! The following is my solution:

I did this graphically. The reasoning is that the function is concave down and increasing. When a function is concave down and increasing OR concave up and decreasing, the difference between successive terms decreases as x increases.

Exponent Bot - 3 years, 2 months ago
Weiting Hong
Oct 17, 2015

I pictured f ( x ) = x f(x) = \sqrt{x} . The larger value of x x , the smaller the change between f ( x ) and f ( x 1 ) f(x) \text{ and } f(x-1) . Therefore, 6 5 > 8 7 \boxed{\sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5} > \sqrt{8}-\sqrt{7}} .

This is how I thought of it as well!

David Hernandez - 5 years, 7 months ago

Different approach.. Superb.. I never imagined in this way

Cholavendhan Selvaraj - 5 years, 7 months ago

superb

explanation sir

PSN murthy - 5 years, 7 months ago

My method! :D

Torin Cooper-Bennun - 5 years, 5 months ago

Exactly!!!

Vitaly Lerner - 5 years, 4 months ago

super sir super

Prakash K g - 2 months ago
汶良 林
Oct 15, 2015

De donde sale resultado?

Jaime Maldonado - 5 years, 7 months ago

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( 8 + 5 ) 2 = ( 8 ) 2 + ( 5 ) 2 + 2 8 5 \sqrt{(\sqrt{8} + \sqrt{5})^2} = \sqrt{(\sqrt{8})^2 + (\sqrt{5})^2 + 2 \sqrt{8}\sqrt{5} }

Bruno Orcha García - 5 years, 7 months ago
Alan Yan
Oct 17, 2015

8 7 ? 6 5 \sqrt{8} - \sqrt{7} \text{ }\boxed{?} \sqrt{6} - \sqrt{5} 8 + 5 ? 7 + 6 \sqrt{8} + \sqrt{5} \text{ } \boxed{?} \sqrt{7} + \sqrt{6} Square both sides subtract 13 and divide by two to get 40 ? 42 \sqrt{40} \text{ } \boxed{?} \sqrt{42} 40 < 42 \sqrt{40} \text{ }\boxed{<} \sqrt{42}

and we are done.

Could you clarify how "we are done" when you post a solution? Most of the people who need to read the solutions aren't going to understand the process you used.

I assume your argument is that because the left side of the inequality is smaller than the right side at the end, then the left side at the beginning was smaller throughout, because none of the calculations would have changed the sign.

That type of detail is useful to point out, for those of us who are either learning or trying to remember how math works.

Brian Egedy - 5 years, 2 months ago

This is the only method I could understand well, and I upvoted for you

suzan khach - 3 years, 9 months ago
Paul Cox
Jan 25, 2016

You can get some intuition from noting that d/dx of sqrt(x) is decreasing, but the proof is a lot of squares.

assume the right answer

8 7 < 6 5 \sqrt{8} - \sqrt{7} < \sqrt{6} - \sqrt{5}

( 8 7 ) 2 < ( 6 5 ) 2 (\sqrt{8} - \sqrt{7})^{2} < (\sqrt{6} - \sqrt{5})^{2}

8 2 56 + 7 < 6 2 30 + 5 8 - 2\sqrt{56} + 7 < 6 - 2\sqrt{30} +5

4 < 2 56 2 30 4 < 2\sqrt{56} - 2\sqrt{30}

2 < 56 30 2 < \sqrt{56} - \sqrt{30}

( 2 ) 2 < ( 56 30 ) 2 (2)^{2} < (\sqrt{56} - \sqrt{30})^{2}

4 < 56 2 56 30 + 30 4 < 56 - 2\sqrt{56*30} +30

4 < 86 2 1680 4 < 86 - 2\sqrt{1680}

82 < 2 1680 -82 < - 2\sqrt{1680}

41 > 1680 41 > \sqrt{1680}

( 41 ) 2 > ( 1680 ) 2 (41)^{2} > (\sqrt{1680})^{2}

1681 > 1680 1681 > 1680

This is clearly true, so the original statement is true

Lu Chee Ket
Oct 23, 2015

Sqrt (2) - Sqrt(1) = 0.4+

Sqrt(4) - Sqrt (3) = 0.3-

Sqrt(10) - Sqrt(9) = 0.16+

Therefore, the smaller figures' must be of greater difference.

Yes,this is simplest solotion of the [roblem and I did this way.

Krishna Garg - 5 years, 7 months ago

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All right.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks & Congrats!!

Krishna Garg - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Krishna Garg Same to you!

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 7 months ago

You should add that the sqrt function is strictly increasing for any positive number.

Valentin Michelet - 5 years, 7 months ago

Simple. Just consider the value of "√(n+1) - √n" when increase "n", it tends to 0.

Geeth Reddy
Jul 4, 2019

we can say that both √8-√7 and √6-√5 are positive then, let √8-√7=x ⇒8+7-2√56=x²⇒15-√224=x².........[1] again let √6-√5=y ⇒6+5-2√30=y²⇒11-√120=y²..........[2] then from [1]and[2] we can say √224>√120⇔[2]>[1] therefore √6-√5 >√8-√7

Mayukh Biswas
Nov 4, 2018

d/dx(sqrt{X}) = 1/2sqrt(x). As x increases, slope of curve decreases. Draw 2 lines at x=k and x=k+1 for any k>=0. Draw two lines parallel to x axis which pass thru the intersections of curve with X=k and x=k+1. Let these lines intersect y axis at y1,y2. Let z=y2-y1 (y2>y1). If k increases, you'll find that z decreases. This is due to the nature of the curve that was deduced in the first step. Therefore, (c) is correct.

Exponent Bot
Mar 26, 2018

I did this graphically. The reasoning is that the function is concave down and increasing. When a function is concave down and increasing OR concave up and decreasing, the difference between successive terms decreases as x increases.

David Hiskiyahu
Oct 6, 2017

The square root function has a decreasing slope. This is easily seen by eye and also by looking at the derivative function.

Therefore, the steps between the value of the function at adjacent X are becoming smaller as X grows with 0 as a limit as X approaches infinity.

The gaps between the two X's are same between the two different answer choices.

Thus the second choice in the list is the right answer, the one with 6 and 5.

Sufi Unus
Aug 23, 2017

well i pictured it this way.. see the more the valve in the root the lesser its numerical value is... take examples of root 4 root 9 and root 16 see the pattern

Scott Ripperda
Mar 19, 2017

This solution is similar to Nihar Mahajan's solution.

Another interesting thing about these equations, ie. x x 1 \sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x-1} is the complex conjugates are also the multiplicative inverse so x x 1 = 1 x + x 1 \sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x-1}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{x-1}} , so we can simply observe 8 + 7 > 6 + 5 \sqrt{8} + \sqrt{7} > \sqrt{6}+\sqrt{5} , thus 1 8 + 7 = 8 7 < 6 5 = 1 6 + 5 \frac{1} { \sqrt{8} + \sqrt{7} }= \boxed{ \sqrt{8} - \sqrt{7} < \sqrt{6} -\sqrt{5} } = \frac{1}{ \sqrt{6} + \sqrt{5} }

Loh Yi Fong
Dec 24, 2016

Observe that for consecutive integers 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , , n 1, 2, 3, 4, \ldots , n their squares are increasing at an increasing rate 1 , 4 , 9 , 16 , , n 1, 4, 9, 16, \ldots , n . Since square roots must follow the opposite (i.e. inverse) pattern to squares, observe then that square roots of consecutive numbers increase at a decreasing rate. As an instant of this consequence, 6 5 > 8 7 \sqrt{6} - \sqrt{5} > \sqrt{8} - \sqrt {7} .

Rishabh Tiwari
May 5, 2016

Rationalize both surds and then it can be clearly seen that sq.root 6 - sq. Root 5 is greater since its denominator comes to be smaller.

Snehal Raj
Mar 6, 2016

Just look at x^1/2 graph ... You can see as the slope goes on decreasing f(6)-f(5) will be greater than f(8)-f(7)

Aravind M
Dec 11, 2015

I found using logarithms better and easy.. ie.,

Since all the given numbers, ie \sqrt{8}, \sqrt{7}, \sqrt{6}, \sqrt{5}, are irrational numbers, it is obvious that \sqrt{8}-\sqrt{7} is not equal to \sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5}.

Then, assuming \sqrt{8}-\sqrt{8} to be greater than \sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5}, we have /[ \dfrac{{\sqrt{8}-\sqrt{7}}{ \sqrt{6}-\sqrt{5}} > 1/]

Implying, 0.5 x( ln8 -ln7 -ln6 + ln5 ) < 0...

It is obvious fro the above statement that it is true, since 8>7>6>5 and hence ln8>ln7>ln6>ln5 follows.

Hence ln5 cannot be greater than (ln8 +ln7 +ln6 )..

Hence our assumption is true.

If it would have been false, our assumption would have been false... :)

By taking log it can be easily solved. log(6^1/2-7^1/2)>log(8^1/2-7^1/2)

Larry Emeny
Nov 7, 2015

This was displayed incorrectly. It looked like root 6 minus 1. The whole root 5 wasn't shown.

Justin Kelleher
Oct 27, 2015

This is my first written feed back on this site. I may make mistakes and would like some input.
I set up:
8^(1/2) - 7^(1/2) -->
ln(8^(1/2)) - ln(7^(1/2)) -->
(1/2)(ln(8)) -(1/2)(ln(7))-->
(1/2)(ln(8)-ln(7))-->
(1/2)(ln(8/7)-->
I know that if I were to input y=ln(1), y=0. The graph increases ad infinitum afterwards. I would look at the quotients within the ln(x) and see which ratio is greater. 6/5 > 8/7-->
1.2 >1.14... -->
The ratio between 6:5 is greater and therefore would have a greater difference.








Moderator note:

Congrats on your first solution! Keep on improving :)

It is not clear what you mean by " 8^(1/2) - 7^(1/2) --> ln(8^(1/2)) - ln(7^(1/2)) --> ...."

Are you trying to suggest that 8 7 = ln 8 ln 7 \sqrt{8} - \sqrt{ 7 } = \ln \sqrt{8} - \ln \sqrt{7} ? If so, that is not correct.

Are you trying to suggest that a > b > 0 ln a > ln b a > b > 0 \Rightarrow \ln a > \ln b ? If so, that is correct. However, it is not true that ln ( 8 7 ) = ln 8 ln 7 \ln ( \sqrt{ 8} - \sqrt{7} ) = \ln \sqrt{8} - \ln \sqrt{7} .

My goal was to use rules of logs to manipulate the expressions into something I could compare easily. I do not remember if using rules of logs the expression had to be an equation or inequality. As for using the ln(a)>ln(b) expression, what would be the best way to include that into the math flow?

Justin Kelleher - 5 years, 7 months ago
Rodrigo Lucchesi
Oct 26, 2015

Here is a theoretical approach. We know that 8-7=6-5 because integral numbers grow at a fix rate of 1. But how do these numbers' square root behave? Do they also grow at a fix rate? Considering that: Sqrt (1) = 1 and Sqrt (4) = 2: it takes 3 numbers (from 1 to 4) to its Sqrt grow 1 Sqrt (4) = 2 and Sqrt (9) = 3: it takes 5 numbers (from 4 to 9) to its Sqrt grow 1 So square roots from integer numbers grow at a decreasing rate, not a fix one. Therefore the difference between two consecutive bigger numbers’ square roots ( Sqrt(8) – Sqrt (7) ) will be smaller than the difference between two consecutive smaller numbers’( Sqrt(6) – Sqrt (5) )

Krishna Garg
Oct 25, 2015

Considering the question, We imagine (^4 - ^3) and ( ^2 - ^ 1),we find that ( ^ 2 -^ 1) is bigger. on same lines we find (^6 - ^5) is bigger tha ( ^ 8 - ^ 7)

Arthur França
Oct 24, 2015

Simple, just becouse of the rational fuction tendency. When greater the number smaller is his growth

Hendrik Luinge
Oct 15, 2015

Just picture a graphical representation of the function and the answer will be obvious.

Can you explain in more details?

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