3 x + 3 x + 3 x + ⋯ = 3 x 3 x 3 x …
The non-zero solution x of the equation above can be written as 2 a + b , where a and b are positive integers.
What is a + b ?
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The reason we don't choose the other root x = 2 3 − 5 (which is also greater than 0 by the way) is because k = x = x − 1 x would be smaller than 0.
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Thanks for correcting me!
yeah sorry but you was a bit late but i did a
Can you please explain it further. I mean even if you take the x = (3-\sqrt{5})/2 it satisfies all the above equations. What is the reason we're not taking it. And also what is the logic behind taking k>0 only. Why k can't be negative.
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Refer to the 6th line:
k = x , thus k > 0 .
Refer to the 12nd line: x − 1 x = x , thus x − 1 x > 0 .
If we are taking x = 2 3 − 5 , x − 1 x will be smaller than 0 .
This problem is a lot easier to solve than to come up with!
whhaaat. x^2 / (x^2 - 2x + 1) = x -> x^2 - 3x + 1 = 0, how did you get it ?
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both side divided by x, and move the denominator of the LHS to RHS.
I did the following: x² / (x² - 2x + 1) = x Move x from RHS to LHS and put on same denominator: (x² - x * (x² - 2x + 1)) / (x² - 2x + 1) = 0 Simplify: (-x^3 + 3x² - x) / (x² - 2x + 1) = 0 As it is a fraction, and x != 0, we can remove the denominator: -x^3 + 3x² - x = 0 As x != 0, we can divide by x: -x² + 3x - 1 = 0 Multiply by -1 to get nicer result: x² - 3x + 1 = 0
Took me 10 minutes to find out :'(
$x = 0$, so $a + b = 0$, qed.
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a and b are both positive integers, qed.
note that both a,b are positive integers, thus a+b should be greater than 0.
This is so nicely related to phi!
where did 9 and 5 come from??
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the solution of x of the equation a x 2 + b x + c = 0 is:
x = 2 a − b ± b 2 − 4 a c
how did you get x = (3+√5) /2 ??
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the solution of x of the equation a x 2 + b x + c = 0 is:
x = 2 a − b ± b 2 − 4 a c
Hence,
the solution of x of the equation x 2 − 3 x + 1 = 0 is:
a = 1 , b = − 3 , c = 1
x = 2 a − b ± b 2 − 4 a c = 2 3 ± 3 2 − 4 = 2 3 ± 5
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Thank you. Now, I understand
how you get the third step ?
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the solution of x of the equation a x 2 + b x + c = 0 is:
x = 2 a − b ± b 2 − 4 a c
Hence,
the solution of x of the equation x 2 − 3 x + 1 = 0 is:
a = 1 , b = − 3 , c = 1
x = 2 a − b ± b 2 − 4 a c = 2 3 ± 3 2 − 4 = 2 3 ± 5
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you don't understand me i mean this step ( x k) ^1/3=k ? why (x k)^1/3 = k ?
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@Aza Ama – Okay, we let 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 … = k , this is an infinite nest of x s and cube roots.
You with me? Good.
But hold on a second! Take a look at this (the highlighted part):
3 x 3 x 3 x 3 … = k
Let's pull it out:
3 x 3 x 3 …
OMG! This is also an infinite nest of x s and cube roots! It's the same thing as 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 … = k as we had before!
Hence, we can substitute 3 x 3 x 3 … = k , and that is why we have 3 x k = k .
I hope that makes sense for you. :)
pretty indeed!
May I know how do you make sure the number exists?
this is an extremely hard question, and this solution clarified every single thing. Well done!
Employing the infinite geometric series, note that:
3 x 3 x 3 x ⋯ = x 1 / 3 + ( 1 / 3 ) 2 + . . . = x 1 − 1 / 3 1 / 3 = x 1 / 2 = x
Then we have:
3 x + x = x
( x + x ) 2 = x 3
( x ( x + 1 ) ) 2 = x 1 + 2
x ( x + 1 ) 2 = x x 2
( x + 1 ) 2 = x 2
x + 1 = x where we reject x + 1 = − x considering that this would make either x or − x negative.
x = x − 1
x = x 2 − 2 x + 1
x 2 − 3 x + 1 = 0
x = 2 3 + 3 2 − 4 ( 1 ) = 2 9 + 9 − 4 = 2 9 + 5
As required, a + b = 9 + 5 = 1 4 .
Set LHS and RHS = y, then
(1) (x+y)=y^3
(2) y^3=xy
Elliminating y, we get x=1+√x, and it gives the solution as x=(1/2)(√9 +√5), thus, a=9 & b=5 and Answer=(a+b)=14.
Clearest explanation so far.
How did you get to equation (1) and (2)?
Saimple and most clear
Let u = 3 x + 3 x + 3 x + ⋯ = 3 x 3 x 3 x ⋯ .
Then
u ⟹ u 3 = 3 x + 3 x + 3 x + ⋯ = x + u Cubing both sides . . . ( 1 )
And
u u 3 ⟹ x = 3 x 3 x 3 x ⋯ = x u = u 2 Cubing both sides For u = 0 . . . ( 2 )
Substitute x = u 2 in equation (1):
u 3 u 2 − u − 1 ⟹ u = u 2 + u = 0 = 2 1 ± 5 For u = 0 Solving the quadratic for u
From equation (2): x = u 2 = ( 2 1 ± 5 ) 2 = ⎩ ⎪ ⎨ ⎪ ⎧ 4 6 + 2 5 = 2 3 + 5 = 2 9 + 5 4 6 + 2 5 = 2 3 − 5 Rejected (see note)
Therefore, a + b = 9 + 5 = 1 4 .
Note: Putting x = 2 3 − 5 in 3 x + 3 x + 3 x + ⋯ ≈ 1 . 1 5 3 7 2 1 3 7 6 , but putting it in 3 x 3 x 3 x ⋯ ≈ 0 . 6 1 8 0 3 3 9 8 9 .
Just curious, why are you assuming u > 0 ? Cube roots work just fine for negative numbers...
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You are right. I have made the wrong assumption. The other value does not give the solution. I will change my solution. Thanks.
Let the given expression = A and cube
we have A 3 = x + A = x A
This gives x + A = x A
x = x A − A x = A ( x − 1 ) ( x − 1 ) x = A
Since A 3 = x A we have
( x − 1 ) 3 x 3 = x x − 1 x ( x − 1 ) 3 x 3 = x − 1 x 2
Since a and b are integers, x = 1 and x − 1 = 0
Cancelling
( x − 1 ) 2 x = 1 x = ( x − 1 ) 2 x = x 2 − 2 x + 1 x 2 − 3 x + 1 = 0
Using the general solution and solving for x:
x = 2 3 + 5 x = 2 9 + 5
since both a and b are to be positive integers
Thus a = 9 and b = 5 so a + b = 1 4
Not sure that a and b being integers help to restrict x from being =1... Rather, in the earlier equation, x = (x-1)A, having x=1 would lead to a contradiction.
Also, why eliminate 2 3 − 5 ? Just because it doesn't fit the specified form of 2 a + b ?!
Substitution is everything: 3 x + 3 x + 3 x + ⋯ = y and 3 x 3 x 3 x … = z .
We can then write y = 3 x + y and z = 3 x z .
Cube both equations and solve for x : x = y 3 − y and x = z 2 . So, y 3 − y = z 2 .
Remember y = z . Thus, y 3 − y 2 − y = 0 . Solving for y , we get y = 2 1 + 5 .
Since y = z , just square y to find x : x = 2 9 + 5 . So the answer is 9 + 5 = 1 4
3 x + 3 x + . . . = 3 x 3 x . . .
x + 3 x + 3 x + . . . = x 3 x 3 x . . .
x + 3 x 3 x . . . = x 3 x 3 x . . .
x= 3 x 3 x . . . (x-1)
x 3 = x 3 x 3 x . . . ( x − 1 ) 3
x 3 = x ( x − 1 ) 2 3 x 3 x . . . ( x − 1 )
x 3 = x ( x − 1 ) 2 x
x 2 [ ( x − 1 ) 2 − x ] =0
x 2 = 0 , or x 2 − 3 x + 1 = 0
Because x > 0
x= 2 3 + 9 − 4
x = 2 9 + 5 = 2 a + b
So a + b = 14
3 − 5 >0 so that's not enough justification to remove the lesser of the two quadratic solutions...
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3 x + 3 x + 3 x + ⋯ = 3 x 3 x 3 x ⋯ = k
Let's solve the second part: 3 x 3 x 3 x ⋯ 3 x k x k k = k = k = k 3 = x ( ∵ k > 0 )
Now we back to the first part: 3 x + 3 x + 3 x + ⋯ 3 x + k 3 x + x x + x x − 1 x x 2 − 2 x + 1 x 2 x 2 − 3 x + 1 = k = k = x = x x = x = x = 0 ( ∵ x = 0 )
By using the formula, we can obtain the solution of x : x = 2 3 + 5 ( ∵ x − 1 x > 0 )
Hence, we found that a = 9 , b = 5 , and the value of a + b is equal to 1 4 .