A baseball bat is not uniformly shaped, which is why its center of mass is not at the midpoint between its two ends.
Suppose we cut a baseball bat (perpendicular to its axis) into two pieces through its center of mass, as shown above. Which piece will have greater mass?
Hint: if you're not familiar with the idea of the center of mass, it is the position about which we could balance the bat if we placed it on a knife's edge.
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Hint: Moment = mass x length.
Suppose the length of piece 1 is L1, its mass is M1, and length of piece is L2 and mass is M2.
We know that the bat is cut through centre of mass,
=> Moment 1 = Moment 2
=> M1 x L1 = M2 X L2 ---------------- eq (i)
It is evident from the image above that L1 is greater than L2,
hence for eq (i) to be correct, M2 must be greater than M1.
I disagree with the answer - the question is NOT the volume - the question is the mass - which has to be equal on both sides as the forces acting upon the bat before the cut were equal.
Once the piece is cut at the centre of mass (get the argument), CENTRE of Mass (it would be equal mass on both sides)!
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If we see the hint of the problem, at the center of mass the bat can be balanced on a knife edge. Doesn't that mean, about the center of mass the torque of the weight of the two portions should balance?
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Yes. The hint gives us the answer, although I also wonder if the question is worded right, if we are looking for mass or balance? I get the answer right when I think in terms of balance, but wrong when I think in terms of mass. Theoretically, more mass should equal more stability, especially when in a vacuum, but...
Also, here on earth, mass and volume are the same. We would have to apply a completely different set of principles to determine what the truth would be if we placed those pieces in outer space.
If density is evenly distributed, then the volume of L2 = volume of L2 at the point where M1 = M2. What's wrong with that answer?
the wording surely says that they must be equal? it is been cut at the centre of mass
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The center of mass is the point where the net turning moment of the object. We can balance the object on a finger from that point like this:
The mass on both sides may not be equal, but the turning moment due to both pieces will be equal and opposite and will cancel each other out.
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Yes, also to add, the turning moment depends on weight and the distance of the center of gravity from the pivot point. If the center of gravity of the portion on one side of the pivot is closer to the pivot point, then the weight of that side should be greater to balance out the moment of the other side.
The mass is the same on both sizes
but the moment force are different , if wear to balances on a blade it would fall to side L1
because
moment = force (weight) X distances (length of bat)
so if both part have the same mass of 2 kg for example x by gravitational field strength (9.81) = 19.62N
so L1 was 2m L2 was 1m
then
19.62N x 2 = 39.24Nm 19.62N x 1 = 19.62Nm
Then the force on the L1 side has a grater moment
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Isn't the moments are balanced and the masses are different?
Moment is Force X Distance perpendicular to the member, not mass.
This problem made me confused. Can anyone give an "intuitive explanation" of what exactly is happening here? And why the arguments below are wrong:
1) Since the bat is cut through the center of mass, it must be the case that both parts have same mass.
or
2) If the parts were of unequal mass, then the part with greater mass would have been attracted by a greater force by earth. So the bat would have "felt" a "torque" when being tried to be balanced at the indicated point. Thus the point cannot be COG, thus cannot be COM (considering the earth's gravitational field to be uniform).
Thanks in advance.
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Imagine a very light rod connected by two masses at its ends. One mass is heavier than the other. Can you balance this rod on a finger tip? If yes, then will your finger tip be closer to the heavier mass or the lighter one? If you are able to balance this rod anywhere else but center, then according to your argument shouldn't the gravity pull the heavier mass and turn the rod?
Well, I over thought this. The hint tells me that the answer is 2. 2 is more stable and, therefore, likely has more mass. Okay. My reasoning was not the best. We can determine what the answer is by plugging is some numbers. In 1, the fulcrum is about 3x further away from the end of the bat than it is for 2. So you would expect for 2 to have about 3x more mass.
In 1, the fulcrum is about 3x further away from the end of the bat than it is for 2. So you would expect for 2 to have about 3x more mass.
Theoretically, mass and balance should be related. Remember: There is more chaos at the outer edges of the universe, because there the universe has less mass, which means less stability. Objects or particles pull on each other, but I also wonder if the question is worded right?
Intuitively, I know that the two parts are not equal in mass because the fulcrum is positioned more toward one end than it is toward the other end. If we are on a see-saw, and I weigh more than you do, and the fulcrum is positioned dead center, you would stay in the air; I would stay toward the ground. To balance out the weight, we can move the fulcrum (center point) toward me. Now lets say you are 1 and I am 2. In the picture, the fulcrum is moved toward 2 for the same reason we moved the see-saw's fulcrum toward me. I am heavier.
The alternate way to balance the weight out would be for me to move inward toward the fulcrum. Remember doing that when you were a child and outweighed the person on the other side of the see-saw?
Moment = Force x Length Moment does not equal "mass x length" Force = mass x gravitational constant
Mass is different from force. Moment or turning effect is different from mass. I don't agree with answer.
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Aren't we suppose to take the distance of the center of mass of the portions as L 1 and L 2 .
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Nope. There's nothing wring with the answer. Even the solution is conceptually right, buy no you are not supposed to take length as L1 & L2 while calculating moment.
Moment of mass has to be same for the either side about COM. As can be seen from the diagram the mass distribution on the left side is less denser but the distance from COM is more, thereby giving equal moment of mass.
I think "center of mass" is confusing. If the mass of the bat is divided evenly at the cut, then yes, the moment of inertia about the handle end will be greater for the outermost piece, but that wasn't what was asked, IMHO.
Are you talking about the "moment of weight" instead?
If they are equal, why isn't the answer equally massive
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If we consider a system of two particles of different mass, will the center of mass be nearer to the heavier particle or at the center or nearer to the lighter particle? We can extend the same analogy here as well, consider the two parts as two particles placed at their respective center of masses.
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I think i am just not understanding the definition of massive
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@Alex Li – I have edited the problem statement for more clarity, sorry for the inconvenience caused.
Moment of mass has to be same but also consider the mass distribution (mass per unit length)
Are center of mass and center of gravity used interchangeably here?
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In a uniform gravitational field, the center of mass would be the same as the center of gravity. The centroid of the object would be point where we can balance it on an edge.
I suppose one way to look at this is to consider if you balance a perfectly shaped piece of wood on a knife's edge, it would be equal on both sides and the COM would be in the very centre. If, then, the COM moves towards one end or the other, then that end must be more dense to compensate? For example, if I were to have a lever long enough I could lift the Earth. Surely the Earth is more massive than I, and the fulcrum would be right near it, and I would be far away. Sure you could argue that maybe the mass of the lever should balance out, but I don't think so. The key, I think, is in the original statement "If I had a lever LONG enough..."
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Completely agree! If you balance a Man and the Earth on a lever, the fulcrum (or the center of mass) would be very near to the Earth. Clearly, their moments are balanced about that fulcrum but their masses are not the same. The Earth closer to the center of mass has a greater weight.
It is not stated that the mass is uniformly distributed in the volume. It could well be the case that the average distance-from-COM of the mass to the right side of the cut is greater than the average distance-from-COM of the mass to left side of the cut. Therefore the correct answer is not one of the given options: Cannot be determined from the information provided.
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Well, I believe the baseball bats are made up of a single piece of wood. Thus, the volume density can be taken fairly constant.
The cut should be a curve in order to get to equal weight pieces.A straight cut would work if it the center of mass would be located in a cylindrical portion of the bat.
Where exactly do you mean the "cylindrical portion of the bat"?
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There is no cylindrical portion,that's why a straight cut doesn't work.Assuming the bat is of uniform density,the center of the mass is an imaginary point inside the bat at equal distance from the edges. A plane going through that point,perpendicular on the axis of the bat i think it will leave extra weight on the thicker,shorter side
Mass and weight are different things though. Mass is "how much stuff" there is, for example you could have a 50cm ball of say lead weighing twice as much as another 50cm ball of lead as one could have half the amount of atoms as the other one. I thought in the above they would be equal as they say "centre of mass" not the "centre of gravity". Either way it looks like a lot get this "problem" worng.
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If one ball has half the amount of atoms as another, then how are their masses equal? Only their volumes are equal, right?
If the balls are placed in uniform gravitational field (which is a reasonable approximation at the surface of the Earth), then center of mass is the same as the center of gravity.
Well, for objects very small in comparison to the size of the Earth, the center of mass and center of gravity coincides.
While I got sucked in by the center of mass concept , 2 must have the greater mass to off set the length and lever effect of the handle portion
Center of gravity is different then center of mass. How about no gravity. Does the center of mass differ from the center of gravity and does the length of the bat account for anything? I think this was badly written.
I dont know why other answers are going into moment of force etc. Its not wrong, but answer is really simple here, follows directly from weighted average definition.
The two bodies are now divided into m 1 and m 2 and have distances l 1 and l 2 from old centre of mass. For centre of mass to be in old position, we need m 1 l 1 = m 2 l 2 (not taking signs, its obvious here). So piece with more distance from centre of mass has lesser mass.
Since l 2 < l 1 so m 2 > m 1 .
co-ordinates of C.o.M in the x component is m 1 x 1 + m 2 x 2 / m 1 + m 2 . In the y component it is m 1 y 1 + m 2 y 2 / m 1 + m 2 .Suppose the given point is taken as the origin(taking cartesian reference system).Then when we evaluate (more precisely i n t e g r a t e because the mass distribution is continuous) the above formulas for each point (obviously points to the left be have negative x points to the right will have positive x ) we will get ( 0 , 0 ) . But just a quick glance will tell us that x l e f t > x r i g h t so obviously m r i g h t > m l e f t .
Merely an analytical solution not very technical.
We could also use the torque/moment of the mass solution as given by other brilliantians but for C.o.M to coincide with C.G. there has to be uniform gravitational field intensity which has not been given in the question.
Baseball bats are not so tall that the Earth's gravity will vary significantly in them. So, the center of mass and center of gravity will coincide and can be used interchangeably.
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For the bat to be able to balance about its center of mass, the net moment due to both the pieces about it should be zero.
Let the centers of mass of the two pieces be at distance l 1 and l 2 from the center of mass of the whole bat. Looking at the diagram, we can say that l 1 > l 2 , since the mass in piece 1 is distributed at a greater distance on average compared to piece 2.
The moment of a force is given by Force × Distance . The moments due to the two pieces about the center of mass are m 1 g l 1 anti-clockwise, and m 2 g l 2 clockwise respectively. They cancel each other out, so their magnitudes are equal m 1 g l 1 = m 2 g l 2 . This is equivalent to m 2 m 1 = l 1 l 2 . Since l 1 > l 2 , we have m 1 < m 2 .