Disc Rotated Flatly?

A flat disc on the top of a rough, horizontal table with coefficient of friction μ \mu is being rotated with angular velocity ω o . \omega_{o}.

How long will the disc rotate (in seconds) before coming to rest?

First, generalize, and then plug in the following values for the answer: ω o = 10 radian/s , R = 4 m , μ = 0.3 , g = 10 m/s 2 , M = 4 kg . \omega_{o}=10 \text{ radian/s},\ \ R=4\text{ m},\ \ \mu =0.3,\ \ g=10\text{ m/s}^2,\ \ M=4\text{ kg}.


The answer is 10.

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2 solutions

Md Zuhair
Sep 15, 2017

Lets take an elemental part at distance x x from center whose width is d x dx .

So Mass of elemental part d m = M 2 π x d x π R 2 dm = \dfrac{M 2\pi x dx}{\pi R^2}

So d N = d m g dN = dm g

d N = M g 2 π x d x π R 2 \implies dN = \dfrac{Mg 2\pi x dx}{\pi R^2} [Normal reaction of the element]

d F = M g μ 2 π x d x π R 2 dF = \dfrac{Mg \mu 2\pi x dx}{\pi R^2} [Friction on the element]

Then Torque due to friction which stops it is

d F . x = M g μ 2 π x 2 d x π R 2 dF.x = \dfrac{Mg \mu 2\pi x^2 dx}{\pi R^2}

d τ = M g μ 2 π x 2 d x π R 2 \implies d\tau = \dfrac{Mg \mu 2\pi x^2 dx}{\pi R^2}

Integrating from 0 R 0 \rightarrow R we get

0 τ d τ = 0 R M g μ 2 π x 2 d x π R 2 \implies \displaystyle{ \int_{0}^{\tau}d\tau = \int_{0}^{R}\dfrac{Mg \mu 2\pi x^2 dx}{\pi R^2} }

τ = 2 M g μ R 3 3 R 2 \tau = \dfrac{2Mg \mu R^3}{3R^2}

τ = 2 M g μ R 3 \tau = \dfrac{2 Mg \mu R}{3}

I α = 2 M g μ R 3 I \alpha = \dfrac{2 Mg \mu R}{3}

α = 2 M g μ R 3 I \alpha = \dfrac{2 Mg \mu R}{3I}

Now by equation of rotation we know

0 = ω o α t 0=\omega_{o}-\alpha t

ω o α = t \dfrac{\omega_{o}}{\alpha} = t

ω o 2 M g μ R 3 I = t \implies \dfrac{\omega_{o}}{\dfrac{2 Mg \mu R}{3I}}= t

Now for disc, I = 1 M R 2 2 I=\dfrac{1 MR^2}{2}

Putting it we get

3 ω o R 4 g μ = t \implies \dfrac{3\omega_{o}R}{4 g \mu} = t

t = 3 ω o R 4 g μ \implies \boxed{t=\dfrac{3\omega_{o}R}{4 g \mu}}

Putting values we get

t = 10 s \boxed{t=10s}

great solution!!!!!

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 8 months ago

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:) Thanks. Then can you upvote?

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 8 months ago

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yes sure!!!

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 8 months ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Its original. I made it :) . How was the question?

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 8 months ago

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@Md Zuhair Unfortunately, it already exists. [https://www.physicsgalaxy.com/lectures/1/1/44/239/Solved-Example-6]

Swapnil Das - 3 years, 8 months ago

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@Swapnil Das :( I didnt knew.

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 8 months ago

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@Md Zuhair Actually its a common problem .( its in irodov as well)

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 8 months ago

@Md Zuhair great ..... i had previouly done a "rod" and "cone" version of it.

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 8 months ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Here in brilliant? Can you please share the links. I'd love to do those!

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 8 months ago

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@Md Zuhair https://brilliant.org/problems/variable-friction-on-horizontal-rod/

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 8 months ago

@Md Zuhair https://brilliant.org/problems/a-small-trick/?ref_id=1404304

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 8 months ago

@Md Zuhair https://brilliant.org/problems/variable-friction-on-the-horizontal-disc/?group=ksfPlKRpzV87&ref_id=475764

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 8 months ago
N. Aadhaar Murty
Oct 12, 2020

Mass element(dm) Mass element(dm)

Assuming uniform mass distribution,

M π R 2 = d m r d θ d r d m = M r d θ d r π R 2 \frac {M}{\pi R^{2}} = \frac {dm}{rd\theta dr} \Rightarrow dm = \frac {Mrd\theta dr}{\pi R^{2}}

Now, since d τ = μ d m g r = μ M g r 2 d θ d r π R 2 d\tau = \mu dmgr = \frac {\mu Mgr^{2}d\theta dr}{\pi R^{2}} ,

τ = d τ = 0 2 π d θ 0 R μ M g r 2 d r π R 2 = 2 μ M g R 2 ( R 3 3 ) = 2 3 μ M g R \therefore \tau = \int d\tau = \int_{0}^{2\pi} d\theta \int_{0}^{R} \frac{\mu Mgr^{2} dr}{\pi R^{2}} = \frac {2\mu Mg}{R^{2}} \left(\frac {R^{3}}{3}\right) = \frac {2}{3} \mu MgR

Using τ = I α \tau = I\alpha

α = τ I d i s c = 4 μ g 3 R \alpha = \frac {\tau}{I_{disc}} = \frac {4\mu g}{3R}

as I d i s c = M R 2 2 . I_{disc} = \frac {MR^{2}}{2}. Finally,

ω 0 = 4 μ g t 3 R t = 3 ω 0 R 4 μ g \omega_{0} = \frac {4\mu gt}{3R} \Rightarrow \boxed{t = \frac {3\omega_{0}R}{4\mu g}}

Evaluating at the given values, we get t = 10 s. \boxed {t = 10 \text {s.}} As you can see, stoppage time is independent of mass.

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