Don't they look equal?

Algebra Level 3

A = 9 9 999 + 1 9 9 1000 + 1 B = 9 9 1000 + 1 9 9 1001 + 1 A = \dfrac{99^{999} + 1}{99^{1000}+1} \hspace{1.5cm} B = \dfrac{99^{1000}+1}{99^{1001}+1}

Which of A A and B B is greater?

Both are equal B B A A

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29 solutions

Nihar Mahajan
Jun 5, 2015

99 > 2 99 + 1 99 > 2 9 9 1000 ( 99 + 1 99 ) > 2 × 9 9 1000 9 9 999 + 9 9 1001 > 2 × 9 9 1000 9 9 2000 + 9 9 999 + 9 9 1001 + 1 > 9 9 2000 + 2 × 9 9 1000 + 1 ( 9 9 999 + 1 ) ( 9 9 1001 + 1 ) > ( 9 9 1000 + 1 ) 2 9 9 999 + 1 9 9 1000 + 1 > 9 9 1000 + 1 9 9 1001 + 1 A > B \large{99>2 \\ \Rightarrow 99 + \dfrac{1}{99} > 2 \\ \Rightarrow 99^{1000}\left(99 + \dfrac{1}{99}\right) > 2 \times 99^{1000} \\ \Rightarrow 99^{999} + 99^{1001} > 2 \times 99^{1000} \\ \Rightarrow 99^{2000} + 99^{999} + 99^{1001} + 1 > 99^{2000}+2\times 99^{1000} + 1 \\ \Rightarrow (99^{999}+1)(99^{1001}+1) > (99^{1000}+1)^2 \\ \Rightarrow \dfrac{99^{999}+1}{99^{1000}+1} > \dfrac{99^{1000}+1}{99^{1001}+1} \\ \Rightarrow \boxed{A>B}}

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Nice way of reverse engineering the answer!

is it that you try to make the whole thing 'factorise-able' from the beginning?

Jonathan Moey - 6 years ago

can you please explain me what did you do to the third arrow so that the result is on that fourth arrow?

Ardianto Kurniawan - 6 years ago

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I added 9 9 2000 + 1 99^{2000} + 1 on both the sides in order to factorize the expressions.

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years ago

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can you tell me where to learn something like that?

Ardianto Kurniawan - 6 years ago

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@Ardianto Kurniawan I didn't learn it anywhere.It was just "out of box" thinking.

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years ago

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@Nihar Mahajan did you practise a lot ?

Ardianto Kurniawan - 6 years ago

@Ardianto Kurniawan You can look up completing the square if you haven't seen it yet

Martin Hellmich - 6 years ago

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@Martin Hellmich thank you!!

Ardianto Kurniawan - 5 years, 11 months ago

complicated !!! by the way, good work. (y)

Asheq Elahi - 5 years, 11 months ago

Why do you use 2 for the inequality?

Hollapo Carestic - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Check the solution from reverse, you will get your answer

Kuldeep Ruparelia - 5 years, 9 months ago

Cool..!! ;)

Adit Sawant - 5 years, 10 months ago

I just used the mathematics from grade school. So A=(99^999+1)(99^1001+1) and B=(99^1000+1)^2. But i miscalculated that B is greater than A XP

Angelo Forcadela - 5 years ago

Your answer is great yet we could've simply divided the two equation resulting in A/B=((99^1000+99)(99^1000+1/99))/(99^1000+1)**2 So it is clear A>B

Ahmed Ibrahim - 5 years ago

Got the same answer :) except reversed

Bloons Qoth - 4 years, 11 months ago

too much of calculation just see that A haves a smaller denominator than B duh!!! automatically A becomes greater than B anything else

Sàháj Siñgh - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Not always , 1 <2 , 2/1 = 2 , 4/2 = 2, it also depends on nr.

Chinmay Kansara - 5 years, 9 months ago
Shreyash S
Jun 9, 2015

A = 9 9 999 + 1 9 9 1000 + 1 A = \frac{99^{999} + 1}{99^{1000} + 1}

Multiply by 99 on Both Side.

99 A = 9 9 1000 + 99 9 9 1000 + 1 \implies 99A = \frac{99^{1000} + 99}{99^{1000} + 1} 99 A = 1 + 98 9 9 1000 + 1 \implies 99A = 1 + \frac{98}{99^{1000} + 1} 99 A 1 = 98 9 9 1000 + 1 \implies 99A - 1 = \frac{98}{99^{1000} + 1}

Similarly for B.

99 B 1 = 98 9 9 1001 + 1 99B - 1 = \frac{98}{99^{1001} + 1}

Comparing RHS.

98 9 9 1000 + 1 > 98 9 9 1001 + 1 \frac{98}{99^{1000} + 1} > \frac{98}{99^{1001} + 1} 99 A 1 > 99 B 1 \implies 99A - 1 > 99B - 1 99 A > 99 B \implies 99A > 99B A > B \implies \boxed{A > B}

Easy to understand....

Asha Gupta - 6 years ago

Good this is an easier way of approach ...AND cool

Sridhar Sri - 5 years, 5 months ago
Abhinav Raichur
Jun 5, 2015

We will simply subtract B from A and check if it is greater or lesser than zero .......Now consider A B = 1 + 9 9 999 9 9 1000 + 1 1 + 9 9 1000 1 + 9 9 1001 A - B = \frac{1+99^{999}}{99^{1000}+1} - \frac{1+99^{1000}}{1+99^{1001}} = 9 9 2000 + 9 9 1001 + 9 9 999 + 1 ( 9 9 2000 + 2.9 9 1000 + 1 ) k = \frac{99^{2000} + 99^{1001} + 99^{999} + 1 - (99^{2000} + 2.99^{1000} +1)}{k} where K is some large positive number ........CONSIDER THE NUMERATOR = 9 9 1001 + 9 9 999 2.9 9 1000 = 99^{1001} + 99^{999} -2.99^{1000} this last expression is greater than zero (can be verified using AM GM inequality ) ...... hence A B > 0 A - B > 0 A > B A>B

What is AM GM inequality?

Adit Sawant - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Adit Sawant https://brilliant.org/wiki/arithmetic-mean-geometric-mean/

Abhinav Raichur - 5 years, 10 months ago
Sam Iima
Jun 12, 2015

Lets make it quite simple Let it is (2^1+1)/(2^2+1)=A AND (2^2+1)/(2^3+1)=B and A= 3/5; B=5/9 Or A=0.6; B= 0.55 So A>B

That was how I did it too!

HP Loh - 6 years ago
Otto Bretscher
Sep 6, 2015

1 A = 9 9 1000 + 1 9 9 999 + 1 = 99 98 9 9 999 + 1 \frac{1}{A}=\frac{99^{1000}+1}{99^{999}+1}=99-\frac{98}{99^{999}+1} and 1 B = 99 98 9 9 1000 + 1 \frac{1}{B}=99-\frac{98}{99^{1000}+1} . Now 1 B > 1 A \frac{1}{B}>\frac{1}{A} since we are subtracting less from 99, so that A > B A>B .

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Ooooh, that's a really nice observation about how to use the denominators wisely.

Luke Daely
Jun 5, 2015

Both equations have a form of (99^n + 1) / (99^(n+1) + 1) . Using concepts of Limit from Calculus we know that for n >= 1 the greater the n, the closer it's value to zero. So A is definitely greater.

Just because the limit is 0, doesn't mean that it is strictly decreasing to 0. Which concepts of Calculus are you using? (and how complicated would they be)

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years ago

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i want to think he is saying that if the limit is approaching infinity for a sequence with a fraction where the denominator> numerator, the limit converges at zero. so as long as the numerator is less than the denominator and the rate of increase is the same for the numerator and denominator, the limit should converge upon zero.

John Witter - 6 years ago

Let:

f ( x ) = 99 x + 1 99 x + 1 + 1 f(x) = \displaystyle\frac{{{{99}^x} + 1}}{{{{99}^{x + 1}} + 1}}

Then:

f ( x ) = 98 × 99 x × ln 99 ( 99 x + 1 + 1 ) 2 < 0 , x R f'(x) = - \displaystyle\frac{{98 \times {{99}^x} \times \ln 99}}{{{{\left( {{{99}^{x + 1}} + 1} \right)}^2}}} < 0,\forall x \in \mathbb {R}

Because A = f ( 999 ) A = f(999) and B = f ( 1000 ) B=f(1000) and f ( x ) f(x) is strictly decreasing, A must be greater than B.

Thanks for this creative solution.....

Mohammad Hasan - 5 years, 4 months ago

That's how I did it!

Ananya Prakash - 4 years, 9 months ago
Nicholas Spinner
Jun 19, 2015

Here is my unorthodox rationalization:

Step 1: First lets imagine that there were no +1s.

That would lead to:

A 2 = 9 9 999 9 9 1000 A_{2} = \frac{99^{999}} {99^{1000}}

and

B 2 = 9 9 1000 9 9 1001 B_{2} = \frac{99^{1000}} {99^{1001}}

B 2 = A 2 99 99 = A 2 1 = A 2 B_{2} = A_{2} * \frac{99}{99} = A_{2} * 1 = A_{2}

So, all of that is just thrown in there to mess you up and the real answer is in how the +1s modify the fractions.

Step 2: For fractions, what happens when you add a constant to the top and the bottom:

1 + 1 2 + 1 = 2 3 > 1 2 \frac{1+1}{2+1} = \frac{2}{3} > \frac{1}{2}

1 + 2 2 + 2 = 3 4 > 2 3 \frac{1+2}{2+2} = \frac{3}{4} > \frac{2}{3}

We can see here, that the larger the constant we add, the larger the resulting fraction.

Step 3:

1 9 9 999 + 1 > 1 9 9 1000 + 1 > 1 9 9 1001 + 1 \frac{1}{99^{999} + 1} > \frac{1}{99^{1000} + 1} > \frac{1}{99^{1001} + 1}

What does this mean? Adding 1 to the top and bottom of A and B has the effect of increasing the overall value of the fractions, but 1 is comparatively larger to 99^{999} than to 99^{1000} so it has a larger effect on A. Since we know that adding a larger value to the top and bottom of a fraction increases the overall value more than when adding a smaller value.

So, A > B \boxed{A > B}

Santosh Aryal
Apr 8, 2016

Just replace 99 by 2 and power 999 by 1, 1000 by 2, and so on and solve.

Rebaz Sharif
Mar 14, 2016

Take the reciprocal of B, which will have the same denominator as A, so you can compare them. You can see that 1/B is greater than A, it means that A is larger than B

Anuj Yadav
Oct 31, 2015

B = 99×99^999 + 1/ 99×99^1000 + 1 taking 99 common and cancelling it we get B = (99^999 + 1/99) / (99^1000 + 1/99) which is smaller than A as at the place of 1 in A there is 1/99.

John Hextall
Jun 21, 2015

It seems to me that if you compare A with 1/B, it's obvious that 1/B > A and therefore that A > B. Am I making an obvious mistake?

I solved it in the same way :)

Rebaz SHARIF - 5 years, 3 months ago
Martin Hellmich
Jun 13, 2015

I just thought of the graph of the exponetial function the further you go the faster you climb. So powers of N and N + 1 further up would be more spread out and their ratio (99^N / 99^N+1) would be smaller. With such large numbers adding 1 would be negligible so I looked past that.

Same way I visualised

Anand Iyer
Jun 5, 2015

If you cross multiply you should get 99^1001+99^999>2*99^1000.

Or, simplifying further, ( 9 9 2 + 1 ) [?] 2 ( 9 9 ( 1 ) ) (99^2 + 1) \text{ [?] } 2(99^{(1)}) (after factoring out the 9 9 999 99^{999} ).

Joshua Nesseth - 4 years, 6 months ago
Raul Zighelboim
Nov 20, 2016

This is how I did it :-)

99^999 < 99^1000 99^1001 >> 99^1000

Since a large number divided by an even larger number is less than 1, A has to be the largest. :-)

Alex Wang
Sep 24, 2016

9 9 1000 9 9 1001 > 9 9 999 9 9 1000 99^{1000} - 99^{1001} > 99^{999} - 99^{1000} . If the denominator changes more, it is less. If the numerator changes more, it is more. In this case, the numerator changes more.

Adding the same number to the numerator and denominator of a proper fraction increases its value. A = 9 1000 + 9 9 1001 + 9 A=\frac{9^{1000} + 9}{9^{1001} + 9} . Since we are adding 8 to the numerator and denominator of B, its value increases.

Alexander Dekker
Feb 17, 2016

If A > B A>B , then A B \frac{A}{B} > 1; if A < B A<B , then A B \frac{A}{B} < 1

A B \frac{A}{B} = ( 9 9 999 + 1 ) ( 9 9 1001 + 1 ) ( 9 9 1000 + 1 ) 2 \frac{(99^{999}+1)(99^{1001}+1)}{(99^{1000}+1)^2} = 9 9 2000 + 9 9 1001 + 9 9 999 + 1 9 9 2000 + 2 9 9 1000 + 1 \frac{99^{2000}+99^{1001}+99^{999}+1}{99^{2000}+2*99^{1000}+1} ; Therefore, A > B A>B iff 9 9 1001 + 9 9 999 > 2 9 9 1000 99^{1001}+99^{999} > 2*99^{1000}

Therefore A > B A>B iff 9 9 2 + 1 > 2 99 99^2+1 > 2*99 , which is true.

Yuning Sun
Sep 7, 2015

99^(1) is greater than 99^(-1)

Jay B
Jun 16, 2015

First, let's multiply A by 99/99, so we'll have:

A = ((99^1000)+99)/((99^1001)+99)

Now, we can visualise a fraction composed of natural numbers to which we add equal amounts ((a+x)/(b+x)). We see that we have 3 cases for a/b: When a is greater than b, when they are equal, and when b is greater than a.

For case 1, we can imagine the most basic case, 1/2, and if we keep on adding the same amounts we get a consistently increasing value (2/3, 3/4, 4/5, etc), and consulting quite a few other cases, we arrive at the same conclusion.

In case 2, the fraction will always have a value of 1, no matter how much we add.

Case 3 is an analogy for case 1, because we have that the value of the fraction will constantly decrease, as every situation in this case is an inverse for one in case 1, so as the numbers get bigger, the inverse scenario takes place.

Knowing this, we can take A and B as (a+x)/(b+x) fractions, x being 99 in A and 1 in B. We can see that 99^1000 and 99^1001 are a and b respectively, so we can see it's a case 1 situation, and since we saw that the larger the amount added was, the larger the number, we can see that A will necessarily be greater than B.

Oliver Daniel
Jun 14, 2015

I did it in the same way as Niranjan Ravikumar.

Andrés Abril
Jun 13, 2015

Simple, the more you elevate a number the grater it is. And now that we have the bigger number under the line, we know that is better to split the cake between 2 than between 10, so we look for the lower exponential number under the line, in this case 1000

Fidel R.
Jun 11, 2015

We start with an inequality that isn't too hard to see why it's true. 99 > 2 1 99 99 > 2 - \frac{1}{99} Multiply both sides by 99 9 9 2 > 2 ( 99 ) 1 99^{2} > 2(99) - 1 Add 1 to both sides 1 + 9 9 2 > 2 ( 99 ) 1 + 99^{2} > 2(99) Multiply both sides by 99 to the 999 9 9 999 ( 1 + 9 9 2 ) > 2 ( 99 ) ( 9 9 999 ) 99^{999} (1 + 99^{2}) > 2(99)(99^{999}) 9 9 999 + 9 9 1001 > 2 ( 9 9 1000 ) 99^{999} + 99^{1001} > 2(99^{1000}) Add 1 plus 99 to the 2000 to both sides 9 9 999 + 9 9 1001 + 9 9 2000 + 1 > 2 ( 9 9 1000 ) + 9 9 2000 + 1 99^{999} + 99^{1001} + 99^{2000} + 1 > 2(99^{1000}) + 99^{2000} + 1 Now we factor both sides.

The right side: Let U = 99 to the 1000 2 U + U 2 + 1 = U 2 + 2 U + 1 = ( U + 1 ) 2 = ( 9 9 1000 + 1 ) 2 2U + U^{2} + 1 = U^{2} + 2U + 1 = (U + 1)^{2} = (99^{1000} + 1)^{2}

The left side: 9 9 999 + 9 9 1001 + 9 9 2000 + 1 99^{999} + 99^{1001} + 99^{2000} + 1 9 9 2000 + 9 9 999 + 9 9 1001 + 1 99^{2000} + 99^{999} + 99^{1001} + 1 9 9 999 ( 9 9 1001 + 1 ) + ( 9 9 1001 + 1 ) 99^{999}( 99^{1001} + 1) + (99^{1001} + 1) ( 9 9 1001 + 1 ) ( 9 9 999 + 1 ) (99^{1001} + 1)(99^{999} + 1)

Now, rewrite the inequality with the factored expressions. ( 9 9 1001 + 1 ) ( 9 9 999 + 1 ) > ( 9 9 1000 + 1 ) 2 (99^{1001} + 1)(99^{999} + 1) > (99^{1000} + 1)^{2} Divide both sides by 1 plus 99 to the 1000 ( 9 9 1001 + 1 ) ( 9 9 999 + 1 ) 9 9 1000 + 1 > 9 9 1000 + 1 \frac{(99^{1001} + 1)(99^{999} + 1)}{99^{1000} + 1} > 99^{1000} + 1 Divide both sides by 1 plus 99 to the 1001 9 9 999 + 1 9 9 1000 + 1 > 9 9 1000 + 1 9 9 1001 + 1 \frac{99^{999} + 1}{99^{1000} + 1} > \frac{99^{1000} + 1}{99^{1001} + 1} Therefore, A > B \boxed{A>B}

Easy. In this, we just need to compare A and B for us to come to any conclusion on what is greater. Take 99 common from the numerator and denominator in B which then leaves us with 99^999 + (1/99) in the numerator and 99^1000 + (1/99) in denominator which is certainly less than (99^999 + 1) /(99^1000+1)

Ravi Nelluri
Jun 9, 2015

if Y>X and N >1 then (X+1)/(Y+1) > (XN+1)/(YN+1) it is easy to prove this by simplification

if      Y>X   and N>1

==> Y(N-1) > X(N-1)

==> X+YN > Y+XN

==>(XYN+1)+X+YN>(XYN+1)+Y+XN

==>(X+1)(YN+1)>(Y+1)(XN+1)

==>(X+1)/(Y+1) > (XN+1)/(YN+1)

now substitute X = 99^999 , Y=99^1000 , N =99

I compared denominators to get the answer. The denominator of A is smaller in value than the denominator of B. We know that fractions with greater denominators are smaller(as in the case of B). So A is greater than B.

yep you are correct. But it is not possible in all cases, you have to consider the value of numerator too .

Suryateja Adluri - 6 years ago
Subhajit Mishra
Jun 9, 2015

\frac{A}{B} will come greater than 1. So, A>B

Yusriwan Tjuanda
Jun 6, 2015

just mutiply it and then subtract, easiest way

Steven Edelmann
Jun 6, 2015

Let us substitute X for 99 and Y for the exponent 999. We can eliminate the +1 as it's common to all expressions.

Thus we get: A = X^Y / X ^ (Y+1) B = X ^ (Y+1) / X ^ (Y + 2)

(Y / Y+1) > ( (Y+1) / (Y+2) )

Therefor A > B.

Moderator note:

Several common mistakes made here:
1. We cannot just "eliminate the +1".
2. If a b > c d \frac{a}{b} > \frac{ c}{d} , that does not imply that 2 a 2 b > 2 c 2 d \frac{ 2^a } { 2^b} > \frac{ 2^c }{ 2^d } .

In fact, we have X Y X Y + 1 = 1 Y = X Y + 1 X Y + 2 \frac{ X^Y}{ X^{Y+1} } = \frac { 1}{Y} = \frac{ X^{Y+1} } { X^{Y+2} } .
Hence, if we "eliminate the +1", then the values would be equal.

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