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Algebra Level 4

Let x , y , z x, y, z be real numbers such that x 2 + y 2 + z 2 = 1 x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}=1 . Let the maximum possible value of 6 x y + 4 y z \sqrt {6} xy+4yz be A A .Find A 2 A^{2} .

This problem is inspired by Joel Tan .


The answer is 5.5.

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4 solutions

Ayush Verma
May 3, 2015

Rajen Sir's solution is probably the best but i solved this by only algebra,

L e t a & b a r e s u c h t h a t a + b = 1 N o w A M G M x 2 + a y 2 2 x y a & b y 2 + z 2 2 y z b i f a b = 6 4 a = 3 11 , b = 8 11 x y a + y z b x 2 + a y 2 2 + b y 2 + z 2 2 x y 3 11 + y z 8 11 1 2 6 x y + 4 y z 22 2 A = 22 2 o r A 2 = 11 2 = 5.5 Let\quad a\& b\quad are\quad such\quad that\quad a+b=1\\ \\ Now\quad AM\ge GM\quad \quad \\ \\ \Rightarrow \cfrac { { x }^{ 2 }+ay^{ 2 } }{ 2 } \ge xy\sqrt { a } \quad \\ \\ \& \quad \cfrac { { by }^{ 2 }+z^{ 2 } }{ 2 } \ge yz\sqrt { b } \\ \\ if\quad \sqrt { \cfrac { a }{ b } } =\cfrac { \sqrt { 6 } }{ 4 } \Rightarrow a=\cfrac { 3 }{ 11 } ,b=\cfrac { 8 }{ 11 } \\ \\ \Rightarrow xy\sqrt { a } +yz\sqrt { b } \le \cfrac { { x }^{ 2 }+ay^{ 2 } }{ 2 } +\cfrac { { by }^{ 2 }+z^{ 2 } }{ 2 } \\ \\ \Rightarrow xy\sqrt { \cfrac { 3 }{ 11 } } +yz\sqrt { \cfrac { 8 }{ 11 } } \le \cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } \\ \\ \Rightarrow \sqrt { 6 } xy+4yz\le \cfrac { \sqrt { 22 } }{ 2 } \\ \\ \Rightarrow A=\cfrac { \sqrt { 22 } }{ 2 } \quad or\quad { A }^{ 2 }=\cfrac { 11 }{ 2 } =5.5

Your solution is awesome! BTW what motivated you to let a + b = 1 a+b = 1 ?

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 1 month ago

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When i saw xy & yz AM-GM inequality came to my mind , y was common(in xy and yz) so i thought i should break it in such a way so that x^2+y^2+z^2=1 can be used

Ayush Verma - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Ohh, that's good!

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 1 month ago

How do you come up with such elegant solutions??AWESOME SOLUTION!!

Adarsh Kumar - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks for appreciation.

Ayush Verma - 6 years, 1 month ago

Can you clarify a doubt please? Can we use AM GM inequalities separably for different expressions and then combine them to give a solution when the variables are connected by a relation?

Abhi Kumbale - 5 years, 7 months ago

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yes if a>b & c>d then (a+c)>(b+d)

a,b,c,d can be dependent or independent of each other

Ayush Verma - 5 years, 7 months ago

Or do we have to use it on the whole expression

Abhi Kumbale - 5 years, 7 months ago

Or

( x 2 + 6 22 y 2 ) + ( 16 22 y 2 + z 2 ) 2 22 ( 6 x y + 4 y z ) \Large{\left( { x }^{ 2 }+\frac { 6 }{ 22 } { y }^{ 2 } \right) +\left( \frac { 16 }{ 22 } { y }^{ 2 }+{ z }^{ 2 } \right) \ge \frac { 2 }{ \sqrt { 22 } } \left( \sqrt { 6 } xy+4yz \right) }

Department 8 - 5 years, 7 months ago

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how can you apply am gm here

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

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First applying AM-GM on

( x 2 + 6 22 y 2 ) 2 6 x y 22 \Large{\left( { x }^{ 2 }+\frac { 6 }{ 22 } { y }^{ 2 } \right) \ge \frac { 2\sqrt { 6 } xy }{ 22 } }

then on ( z 2 + 16 22 y 2 ) 2 16 z y 22 \Large{\left( z^{ 2 }+\frac { 16 }{ 22 } { y }^{ 2 } \right) \ge \frac { 2\sqrt { 16 } zy }{ 22 } }

Adding both we get the desired expression.

Department 8 - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Department 8 But AM GM is only for positive reals

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Dev Sharma Sorry did not saw that but this solution also uses AM-GM

Department 8 - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Department 8 There is no problem in applying AM GM here because you are applying it on squares which is always positive

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 6 months ago

@Department 8 what motivated you to have 6 and 16 there?

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

Same way. nice solution brah!

Shreyash Rai - 5 years, 4 months ago

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Brah? Elaborate

Department 8 - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@Department 8 a highly modified and technical version of "bro" which means a brother or a brother-like freind. should i explain further?

Shreyash Rai - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@Shreyash Rai Sometime it's not good to write these which can men double meaning.

Department 8 - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@Department 8 Never considered if there was an other meaning but allright I get the point.

Shreyash Rai - 5 years, 4 months ago
Rajen Kapur
May 3, 2015

Let y = cos θ y = \cos\theta , x = sin θ cos ϕ x = \sin\theta\cos\phi and z = sin θ s i n ϕ z = \sin\theta sin\phi and use the fact that A sin ϕ + B cos ϕ A\sin\phi + B \cos\phi has a maximum value A 2 + B 2 \sqrt{A^{2} + B^{2}} Putting in 6 x y + 4 y z = 2 y ( 3 x + 2 2 z ) \sqrt6 xy + 4yz = \sqrt2 y(\sqrt3 x + 2\sqrt2 z) and taking common sin θ \sin\theta outside the bracket, and using the above mentioned maximizing A = 22 / 2 A = \sqrt{22}/2 .

Absolutely Fantastic.

Ayush Verma - 6 years, 1 month ago

Nice use of trigonometric inequalities!!

Stewart S. - 6 years, 1 month ago

Same here!!

Richeek Das - 2 years, 5 months ago
Stewart S.
May 5, 2015

Let 6 x y + 4 y z k [ x 2 + y 2 + z 2 ] \sqrt{6}xy + 4yz \leq k[x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}] for a real number k k . This way we just simply need to find the value of k k , which obviously is the maximum value of the above expression.

From AM-GM we have k 1 = 6 x y a 1 2 x 2 + a 2 2 y 2 k_{1} = \sqrt{6}xy \leq \frac{a_{1}}{2}x^{2} + \frac{a_{2}}{2}y^{2} for some real a 1 , a 2 a_{1}, a_{2} . With the same way we got k 2 = 4 y z a 3 2 y 2 + a 1 2 z 2 k_{2} = 4yz \leq \frac{a_{3}}{2}y^{2} + \frac{a_{1}}{2}z^{2}

Therefore, k 1 + k 2 a 1 2 [ x 2 + z 2 ] + [ a 2 + a 3 2 ] y 2 k_{1} + k_{2} \leq \frac{a_{1}}{2} [x^{2} + z^{2}] + [\frac{a_{2} + a_{3}}{2}]y^{2} We know that a 1 a 2 = 6 a_{1}a_{2} = 6 and a 3 a 1 = 16 a_{3}a_{1} = 16 While we want to find a 1 a_{1} with a 2 + a 3 = a 1 a_{2} + a_{3} = a_{1}

Therefore, 6 a 1 + 16 a 1 = a 1 \frac{6}{a_{1}} + \frac{16}{a_{1}} = a_{1} We can easily get a 1 = 22 a_{1} = \sqrt{22} . Then we have k 1 + k 2 22 2 [ x 2 + y 2 + z 2 ] = 22 2 = A k_{1} + k_{2} \leq \frac{\sqrt{22}}{2}[x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}] = \frac{\sqrt{22}}{2} = A . Therefore A 2 = 11 2 \boxed{A^{2} = \frac{11}{2}} .

Abhi Kumbale
Oct 31, 2015

Here is another solution,

Did same way

Gargi Gupta - 4 years, 11 months ago

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