Given y = x + x − x + x − … , within the range 1 ≤ y ≤ 2 0 1 5 :
Given that x is a natural number such that 1 ≤ y ≤ 2 0 1 5 , what is the probability that y is a natural number?
Express the probability in the form b a (fraction in simplest form), and enter into the answer box the value of a + b .
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The problem is not very clear; as it is, it looks like x can be any positive integer. Judging from your solution, what you mean to ask is given that 1 ≤ y ≤ 2 0 1 5 , what is the probability that y is an integer?
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x can be any positive integer, but only certain values of x will return a natural y, and i'm restricting the y values between 1 and 2015, which correspond to specific x values.
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you can get x values like 1, 2, 3, 4...etc up to a certain point to satisfy the condition that y will be between 1 and 2015, but only certain x values will give you natural values of y.
I second Jon Haussmann on the problem being unclear.
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How's it now?
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awkwardly worded but much less ambiguous. thanks.
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@Adit Mohan – Out of curiosity, how would you have worded it?
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@Hobart Pao
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"given that x is a natural number such that y lies between 1and 2015(both inclusive), what is the probability that y is a natural number? ".
the benefits of the this wording are .
1.that x is a natural number is made explicit ( as it is in subject verb adjective form).
2. since the restriction is placed on x any chance of the reader getting confused about the sample size is eliminated.
3. the actual question statement is place at the end, right before the question mark.
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@Adit Mohan – That's really good. I'll use that. Thanks
How did you think about the n(n+1)+1 form of x
Let's try it in more algebraic way!!!
First, we have y = x + x − x + x − . . .
y = x + x − y
y 2 − x = x − y
y 4 − 2 y 2 x + x 2 = x − y
So, we will treat it as a polynomial in terms of x
x 2 − ( 2 y 2 + 1 ) x + y 4 + y = 0
x = 2 2 y 2 + 1 ± ( 2 y 2 + 1 ) 2 − 4 ( y 4 + y )
x = 2 2 y 2 + 1 ± 4 y 4 + 4 y 2 + 1 − 4 y 4 − 4 y = 2 2 y 2 + 1 ± ( 2 y − 1 ) Since 2y-1 always be positive number.
Now, we have to choose only one root that correct (another root will exceed because the method of square). And after I've tried both two roots I found that the negative root (choose negative sign) is the answer.
Then we have
x = y 2 − y + 1
Since y vary from 1 to 2015, x will run from 1 to 2 0 1 4 × 2 0 1 5 + 1 but there are just 2015 value of x that can produce integer y.
Hence the probability is then P r o b = 2 0 1 4 × 2 0 1 5 + 1 2 0 1 5 and also this is the simplest fraction form.
b a = 2 0 1 4 × 2 0 1 5 + 1 2 0 1 5
a + b = 2 0 1 5 2 + 1 = 4 0 6 0 2 2 5 + 1 = 4 0 6 0 2 2 6
Let x + x − x + . . . = A and x − x + x − . . . = B
From these equations, we can get A = x + B and B = x − A
A = x + B
A 2 = x + B
x = A 2 − B -------------------------------------> [ e q u a t i o n 1 ]
B = x − A
B 2 = x − A
x = B 2 + A -------------------------------------> [ e q u a t i o n 2 ]
From equation 1 and equation 2, we will get
A 2 − B = B 2 + A
A 2 − B 2 − A − B = 0
( A − B ) ( A + B ) − ( A + B ) = 0
( A + B ) ( A − B − 1 ) = 0
Since A , B > 0 , A + B > 0 . Therefore A − B − 1 = 0 or B = A − 1
Using equation 1,
x = A 2 − B
x = A 2 − A + 1
0 = A 2 − A + ( 1 − x )
But A = y
0 = y 2 − y + ( 1 − x )
This equation must lead to [ y + M ] [ y − ( M + 1 ) ] for some natural number M . The value of y will be M + 1 .
1 − x = − M ( M + 1 )
x = 1 + M ( M + 1 )
x = 1 + y ( y − 1 )
Range of y is 1 ≤ y ≤ 2 0 1 5 . Then the range of x must be 1 ≤ x ≤ 2 0 1 4 × 2 0 1 5 + 1 . Therefore there are only 2 0 1 5 values of y for 2 0 1 4 × 2 0 1 5 + 1 values of x .
b a = 2 0 1 4 × 2 0 1 5 + 1 2 0 1 5
a = 2 0 1 5 and b = 2 0 1 4 × 2 0 1 5 + 1
a + b = ( 2 0 1 4 ) ( 2 0 1 4 × 2 0 1 5 + 1 ) = 4 0 6 0 2 2 6
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What I noticed is that if n is a whole number, and the value of x is in the form n ( n + 1 ) + 1 , then the value of y will simply be n + 1 . In the range of y values from 1 to 2 0 1 5 , the values of n will be from 0 to 2 0 1 4 , which is 2 0 1 5 numbers that will give a natural y . The highest value of x satisfying the conditions will be 2 0 1 4 ⋅ 2 0 1 5 + 1 and the lowest value of x satisfying the conditions will be 0 ⋅ 1 + 1 . That gives 2 0 1 4 ⋅ 2 0 1 5 + 1 total possibilities for x , and the probability of getting a natural value of y is 4 0 5 8 2 1 1 2 0 1 5 , and since that's in simplest form already, a + b = 4 0 6 0 2 2 6 .