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( a 8 + b 8 + c 8 + d 8 + e 8 ) ( a 11 + b 11 + c 11 + d 11 + e 11 ) \big(a^8 + b^8 + c^8 + d^8 + e^8\big)\big(a^{11} + b^{11} + c^{11} + d^{11} + e^{11}\big)

If a , b , c , d , e a, b, c, d, e are the roots of x 5 + 7 x 1 = 0 , x^5 + 7x - 1 = 0, then find the value of the expression above.


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The answer is 0.

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2 solutions

Aareyan Manzoor
Oct 28, 2015

first lets compute p 11 p_{11} . note that s 1 = s 2 = s 3 = 0 s_1=s_2=s_3=0 , hence giving us p 1 = p 2 = p 3 = 0 p_1=p_2=p_3=0 where s n s_n is the nth symmetric sum and p n p_n the nth power sum. we get that . x 5 = 7 x + 1 x 10 = 49 x 2 14 x + 1 x 11 = 49 x 3 14 x 2 + x ( x 11 ) = 49 ( x 3 ) 14 ( x 2 ) + ( x ) = 49 p 3 14 p 2 + p 1 = 0 \begin{array}{c}.x^5=-7x+1\\ x^{10}=49x^2-14x+1\\ x^{11}=49x^3-14x^2+x\\ \sum(x^{11})=49\sum(x^3)-14\sum(x^2)+\sum(x)=49p_3-14p_2+p_1=\boxed{0}\end{array} since one part of the product is 0, the whole thing becomes 0 \boxed{0}

Exactly the same way, Dev Sharma , here is the link add it as inspiration https://brilliant.org/problems/can-this-be-really-solved/?group=hg2ab1j7ZuLk&ref_id=985738

Department 8 - 5 years, 7 months ago

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Yes. I solved that problem.

How can I add this as a link?

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

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while edit use \ [\ #Inspiration#\ ]\ \ (\ #https://brilliant.org/problems/can-this-be-really-solved/?group=hg2ab1j7ZuLk&ref_id=985738# \ )\, remove blackslashes and hashes, you should also refer to formatting guide

Department 8 - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Department 8 Hey, Lakshya, you posted a inequality question. Then please mention in the question about what decimal place we have to provide answer?

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Dev Sharma what was the question name

Department 8 - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Department 8 cool inequality. Making it really tough

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Dev Sharma 3 decimal places

Department 8 - 5 years, 7 months ago

Nice observation!!

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago

Can we directly rise it to x^12 say coefficient of x^11 is absent so sum would be zero.......... Is it correct

Dhruv Joshi - 4 years, 2 months ago
Skanda Prasad
Oct 2, 2017

Here,

e 1 = a = 0 e_1=\sum{a}=0

e 2 = a b = 0 e_2=\sum{ab}=0

e 3 = a b c = 0 e_3=\sum{abc}=0

e 4 = a b c d = 0 e_4=\sum{abcd}=0

e 5 = a b c d e = a b c d e = 1 e_5=\sum{abcde}=abcde=1

Let's calculate P 8 P_8 first.

P 8 = e 1 P 7 e 2 P 6 + e 3 P 5 e 4 P 4 + e 5 P 3 P_8=e_1P_7-e_2P_6+e_3P_5-e_4P_4+e_5P_3

Since, e 1 , e 2 , e 3 , e 4 e_1,e_2,e_3,e_4 are all 0 0 and e 5 e_5 being 1 1 , we get P 8 = P 3 P_8=P_3

P 3 = e 1 P 2 e 2 P 1 + e 3 P 0 P_3=e_1P_2-e_2P_1+e_3P_0

Since, e 1 , e 2 , e 3 e_1,e_2,e_3 are all 0 0 , P 3 = 0 P_3=0

\implies P 8 = 0 P_8=0

Notice, P 8 P_8 is in multiplication with P 11 P_{11} .

Hence our answer is 0 \boxed{0} .

e 4 e_{4} is not 0 0

Dexter Woo Teng Koon - 3 years, 7 months ago

e4 is 7 while p11 is 0

Kayode Oluborode - 2 years, 2 months ago

anata wa baku desu

vedant nagare - 1 year, 6 months ago

How p4 became zero is not clear at all also e4 is not zero

abraham ovienloba - 1 year, 5 months ago

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It most definitely is, p4 is zero using vieta's formulae.

Mr. Krabs - 3 months, 1 week ago

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