Geometric Log Arguments

Algebra Level 3

It is given that log 6 a + log 6 b + log 6 c = 6 \log_{6}a + \log_{6}b + \log_{6}c = 6 , where a a , b b and c c are positive integers that form an increasing geometric sequence and b a b - a is the square of an integer.

Find a + b + c . a + b + c.


The answer is 111.

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log 6 a + log 6 b + log 6 c = log 6 a b c = 6 a b c = 6 6 { a , b , c } form an increasing geometric sequence, which means: b 2 = a c Therefore, b 2 × b = 6 6 b = 36 b a is a square of an integer, let the integer be k , then: b a = k 2 a = 36 k 2 = ( 6 k ) ( 6 + k ) a c = b 2 = 6 4 c = 6 4 ( 6 k ) ( 6 + k ) = 2 4 × 3 4 ( 6 k ) ( 6 + k ) c is an integer, so 2 4 . 3 4 must be divisible by ( 6 k ) ( 6 + k ) , i.e. ( 6 k ) ( 6 + k ) divisors of 6 4 . Obviously, k = 1 , 4 , 5 don’t satisfy this condition. For k = 2 , ( 6 k ) ( 6 + k ) = 2 2 × 2 3 = 2 5 , which leaves a remaining 2 in the denominator. So, only k = 3 satisfies the equation. a = 36 3 2 = 27 c = b 2 a = 48 a + b + c = 27 + 36 + 48 = 111 . \begin{array}{l} {\log _6}a + {\log _6}b + {\log _6}c = {\log _6}abc = 6 \Leftrightarrow abc = {6^6} \\ \{ a,b,c\} {\text{ form an increasing geometric sequence, which means: }}{b^2} = ac \\ {\text{Therefore, }}{b^2} \times b = {6^6} \Rightarrow b = 36 \\ b - a{\text{ is a square of an integer, let the integer be }}k{\text{, then:}} \\ b - a = {k^2} \Rightarrow a = 36 - {k^2} = (6 - k)(6 + k) \\ ac = {b^2} = {6^4} \Leftrightarrow c = \displaystyle\frac{{{6^4}}}{{(6 - k)(6 + k)}} = \displaystyle\frac{{{2^4} \times {3^4}}}{{(6 - k)(6 + k)}} \\ c{\text{ is an integer, so }}{{\text{2}}^4}{\text{.}}{{\text{3}}^4}{\text{ must be divisible by }}(6 - k)(6 + k),\\ {\text{ i}}{\text{.e}}{\text{. }}(6 - k)(6 + k) \in {\text{ divisors of }}{{\text{6}}^4}.{\text{ }} \\ {\text{Obviously, }}k = 1,4,5{\text{ don't satisfy this condition.}}\\ {\text{For }}k = 2,(6 - k)(6 + k) = {2^2} \times {2^3} = {2^5},\\ {\text{which leaves a remaining 2 in the denominator}}{\text{.}} \\ {\text{So, only }}k = 3{\text{ satisfies the equation}}{\text{.}} \\ a = 36 - {3^2} = 27 \\ c = \displaystyle\frac{{{b^2}}}{a} = 48 \\ a + b + c = 27 + 36 + 48 = \boxed{111}. \\ \end{array}

We can write a geometric series in the form ar, ar^2.............

Can you pls tell me how we can write 27, 36, 48 in this form. Is it necessary that every value of a, b , c which satisfy the equation b^2=ac are in Geometric sequence ? Can't the answer be a=b=c=36.

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 2 months ago

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For a = b = c = 36 a=b=c=36 , it is not an increasing geometric sequence!

The numbers 27 , 36 , 48 27, 36, 48 can be written in the form of 27 ( 4 3 ) n 1 27 \left( \displaystyle\frac{4}{3} \right)^{n-1} . There is no statement that r r must be an integer.

Tín Phạm Nguyễn - 6 years, 2 months ago

Are you sure b 2 × b = 6 6 b = 36 b^2 \times b = 6^6 \Rightarrow b = 36 ? not 216 216 ?

Because b 3 = 6 6 b = 6 3 b^3 = 6^6 \Rightarrow b = 6^3 .

Vincent Pratama - 5 years, 2 months ago

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b^3=6^6 means b=6^2

archu hapse - 5 years, 1 month ago

{a, b, c} form an increasing geometric sequence, which means b^2 = ac. An important step, but I don't understand. Could you elaborate?

Pieter Breughel - 4 years, 9 months ago

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In a geometric sequence the terms a, b, c can be written as a, ra, r^2a where r is the common ratio. B^2=(ra)^2 which is the same as ac=a x r^2a

Austin Dong - 3 years, 2 months ago

DID THE SAME.

Alan T - 3 years, 5 months ago

What about a = 9 , b = 36 , c = 144 a=9, b=36, c=144 ?

b a = 36 9 = 25 = 5 2 b - a = 36 - 9 = 25 = 5^2

a b c = 9 36 144 = 6 6 a * b * c = 9 * 36 * 144 = 6^6

Adrian Bacircea - 5 years, 6 months ago

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The problem states that b-a must be the square of an integer. 36-9=27 (not 25). 27 is not the square of any integer.

Emile Augustine - 5 years, 6 months ago

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b = 36 a = 27 b-a = 9 9 = (3)^2

Shivam K - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Shivam K I don't know what this comment is for, but the original poster above me posted that b-a=36-9=25. I was responding to that.

Emile Augustine - 2 years, 2 months ago
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Jun 8, 2019

Let's write:

a = k r a=\dfrac{k}{r}

b = k b=k

c = k r c=kr

a b c = k 3 abc=k^3

log 6 a + log 6 b + log 6 c = log 6 a b c = log 6 k 3 \log_{6}{a}+\log_{6}{b}+\log_{6}^{c}=\log_{6}{abc}=\log_{6}{k^3}

log 6 k 3 = 6 k = 36 \log_{6}{k^3}=6 \Rightarrow k=36

So, b = 36 b=36

Also, 36 36 r = m 2 , m Z + 36-\dfrac{36}{r}=m^2, m \in \mathbb{Z^{+}}

With some trial and error, you will find that r = 4 3 r=\dfrac{4}{3} satisfies the above equation.

With that you get:

a = 27 , b = 36 , c = 48 a=27,b=36,c=48

a + b + c = 111 a+b+c=111

Q.E.D

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