Equalities

Algebra Level 1

a a and b b are real numbers, and a ÷ b = a × b = a + b . a\div b=a\times b=a+b.

What is a b ? a-b?

1 -1 0 0 1 1 3 2 \frac{3}{2}

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11 solutions

Gonzalo Píngaro
Jul 26, 2018

From a b = a b a \cdot b = \frac{a}{b} is b = ± 1 b=\pm 1 . But b = 1 a = a + 1 b=1 \Rightarrow a=a+1 . Absurd. Now, if b = 1 a = a 1 a = 1 2 b=-1 \Rightarrow -a=a-1\Rightarrow a=\frac{1}{2} .

Moderator note:

As the comments point out, the first equation being looked at of a b = a / b a \cdot b = a/b is equivlent to a ( b 1 b ) = 0 a (b - \frac{1}{b} ) = 0 , from which we get that a = 0 a = 0 or b = ± 1. b = \pm 1. We do need to look at the case when a = 0. a = 0 .

Given a = 0 , a = 0, a b = a + b ab = a+b implies b = 0 ; b = 0 ; this causes division by zero with a b , \frac{a}{b}, so a 0. a \neq 0.

You didn't notice the case of a = 0 a = 0 which solves a b = a b ab = \dfrac ab

Jesse Nieminen - 2 years, 10 months ago

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But then that would imply b = 0 b=0 for the third part of the equation, which would make a b \frac{a}{b} undefined.

Nick Turtle - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Yes, but that case must be considered to confirm that the answer is unique.

Jesse Nieminen - 2 years, 10 months ago

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@Jesse Nieminen Questions faulty

Menachem Gavert - 2 years, 10 months ago

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@Menachem Gavert No, the question is correct, this answer is slightly incomplete. a=0 must be considered, and scrapped as it implies b=0, making a/b undefined. And a-b is not calculated at the end. But with the given values of a and b, a b = 1 2 ( 1 ) = 3 2 . a-b=\frac{1}{2}-(-1)=\frac{3}{2}.

Roland van Vliembergen - 2 years, 10 months ago

https://brilliant.org/problems/prove-this-looks-easy-huh/

Syed Hamza Khalid - 2 years ago
Galvin Summer
Aug 6, 2018

where did you get "a-b"?

Jayke Narn - 2 years, 10 months ago

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I got "b" is -1 and "a" is 1/2, then "a-b" is 3/2, anything wrong?

Galvin Summer - 2 years, 10 months ago

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I'm still kind of confused how you got "a-b = ab+1-b"

Jayke Narn - 2 years, 10 months ago

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@Jayke Narn As "a=ab+1", so "a-b=ab+1-b"

Galvin Summer - 2 years, 10 months ago

Great solution!!

Javier Álvarez - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Thank you, man.

Galvin Summer - 2 years, 10 months ago

This was great! I tried something like this but kept solving past a=ab^2 to get a/a=b^2 which then solves down to 1=b which just didn't allow for a value that worked for "a" after that. So I did something wrong, I guess it's that I forgot that -1 was also a valid solution for the square root of 1. Which means I was supposed to get +-1=b and then I could test both values to see which one solves correctly for "a". I'll try not to forget that in the future.

Thanks again for a clear solution!

Kenney Hill - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Well, let's keep on trying!

Galvin Summer - 2 years, 10 months ago

I'm not clear how you get ab+1=a. Can you help me?

Leon Manullang - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Since "ab b+b=ab", so on the left, you divided "ab b+b" by "b", and on the right, you divided "ab" by "b", too, then you can get "ab+1=a".

Galvin Summer - 2 years, 10 months ago

good job!!!

Neneng Herlina - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Dominic Boggio - 2 years, 10 months ago

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I don't know how to type these mathematical operation symbols.

Galvin Summer - 2 years, 10 months ago

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have you seen the (math) Formatting Guide ?

C . - 2 years, 9 months ago
Naren Bhandari
Aug 6, 2018

a b = a b a ( b 2 1 ) = 0 b = ± 1 \dfrac{a}{b} = ab \implies a(b^2-1) =0 \implies b=\pm 1 Note that a 0 a \not =0 since the cases a b = a + b \frac{a}{b} = a+b and a b = a + b ab = a+b become false in case a = 0 b = 0 a=0\implies b=0 (not possible) too .

Now a b 1 = a + b 1 a b b = a + b 1 { a = a + 1 0 = 1 c ( absurd ) if b=1 a = a + 1 a = 1 2 if b =-1 \dfrac{a}{b}-1 = a+b -1 \implies \\ \dfrac{a-b}{b}= a+b-1 \\ \begin{cases} a = a +1 \quad 0 = 1\phantom {c} \,(\text{absurd}) \quad \text{if b=1} \\a = - a +1 \quad a = \dfrac{1}{2} \quad \text{if b =-1} \end{cases} Therefore the required value of a b = 1 2 + 1 = 3 2 a-b = \dfrac{1}{2} +1 =\boxed{ \dfrac{3}{2}}

technically 0 is also correct

jessica m - 2 years, 10 months ago

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No its not, because if a is 0 b is 0 and b can not equal 0 for a real solution.

Jerry Duncan - 2 years, 10 months ago

Great. Love it.

Zoe Codrington - 2 years, 9 months ago

https://brilliant.org/problems/prove-this-looks-easy-huh/

Syed Hamza Khalid - 2 years ago
Michael Mercer
Aug 7, 2018

a and b cannot be integers

yeah they can

Nishant Sahoo - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Oh really, prove it

Syed Hamza Khalid - 2 years, 9 months ago

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i'm stupid

Nishant Sahoo - 2 years, 1 month ago

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@Nishant Sahoo Its okay but you should have thought about it before posting a comment

Syed Hamza Khalid - 2 years, 1 month ago

Well b b can be,but a a can't

Gia Hoàng Phạm - 2 years, 10 months ago

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yeah I know that

Nishant Sahoo - 2 years, 1 month ago

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I worked it out

Nishant Sahoo - 2 years, 1 month ago
Ands J
Aug 6, 2018

ab = a + b (given) ⇒ a = ab + 1 ⇒ b = 1 - 1/a = 1/-2a Therefore: 1 - 1/a = 1/-2a

Let’s solve for a, 1 = 1/2a ⇒ a = 1/2

Let’s solve for b, b = 1 - 1/a ⇒ b = 1 - 1/(1/2) ⇒ b = -1

Therefore: a - b = 1/2 + 1 = 3/2

Goku17yen Yen
Aug 8, 2018
  1. a*b=a/b solve for b, you get plus minus square root of 1. It can't be 1, because, then a/1=a. But then a+1 does not equal a. So it must be -1. b=-1

  2. You plug in -1, and solve for a a(-1)=a=+(-1) -a=a-1 -2a=-1 a=-1/2

  3. substitute into original a-b (-1/2)-(-1) 3/2

Done

Israel Ofek
Aug 6, 2018

this is my solution, its longer then the others but maybe someone will find it easier to understand

My reasoning went as follows:

If a : b a:b is the same as a b a*b then b must be either + 1 +1 or 1 -1 .

When we try a = 1 a=1 we end up with: a : 1 = a 1 = a + 1 a:1 = a*1=a+1 , simplified to a = a + 1 a=a+1 which is a contradiction.

So let's try a = 1 a=-1 :

a : 1 = a 1 = a 1 a:-1=a*-1=a-1 , simplified to a = a 1 -a=a-1

This is much better. If we now substract a from both sides of the equation we get:

2 a = 1 -2a=-1 . Divide both sides by -2 and receive a = 1 / 2 a=1/2

So our result is b = 1 b = -1 , a = 1 / 2 a = 1/2 and therefore a b = 1 / 2 ( 1 ) = 3 / 2 a - b = 1/2 - (-1) = 3/2

a/b=ab, b^2=1, b=1,-1, Now. ab=a+b, a+b-ab=0. We have two options either b=1 or b=-1. b=1 then a=0, Won't satisfy (a/b=a*b=a+b) If b=-1 then a=1/2. This satisfying the previous. So a-b =1/2-(-1), =3/2

Khaled Ashraf
Aug 12, 2018

i hope it can help :)

Gia Hoàng Phạm
Aug 10, 2018

First from { a b = a b a = a b 2 a + b = a b \begin{cases} ab=\frac{a}{b} \implies a=ab^2 \\ a+b=ab \end{cases} then a b 2 + b = a b a b + 1 = a ab^2+b=ab \implies ab+1=a

Next from { a b = a b + 1 b a + b = a b \begin{cases} \therefore a-b=ab+1-b \\ a+b=ab \end{cases} then a b = a + b + 1 b a b = a + 1 a b = a ( 1 ) b = 1 a-b=a+b+1-b \implies a-b=a+1 \implies a-b=a-(-1) \implies b=-1

Finally from { b = 1 a b = a + b \begin{cases} b=-1 \\ ab=a+b \end{cases} then a = a 1 a ( a ) = 1 a + a = 1 2 a = 1 a = 1 2 -a=a-1 \implies a-(-a)=1 \implies a+a=1 \implies 2a=1 \implies a=\frac{1}{2}

And 1 2 ( 1 ) = 1 2 + 1 = 1 2 + 2 2 = 1 + 2 2 = 3 2 \frac{1}{2}-(-1)=\frac{1}{2}+1=\frac{1}{2}+\frac{2}{2}=\frac{1+2}{2}=\boxed{\large{\frac{3}{2}}}

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