Equilateral Triangle Base-Height Rationality

Geometry Level 2

In Δ A B C \Delta ABC , A B = B C = C A AB=BC=CA and A D B = A D C = 9 0 \angle ADB = \angle ADC = 90^{\circ} .

Consider the following claims about the length of A D AD and B C BC , each immediately followed by its own g r e e n \color{#20A900}{green} Claim Value .

  • Both A D AD and B C BC can be rational─ 1 \color{#20A900}{1} .
  • A D AD can be rational while B C BC can be irrational─ 2 \color{#20A900}{2} .
  • A D AD can be irrational while B C BC can be rational─ 4 \color{#20A900}{4} .
  • Both A D AD and B C BC can be irrational─ 8 \color{#20A900}{8} .

Enter the sum of Claim Values of the TRUE claims.


The answer is 14.

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The A D : B D AD:BD is an irrational, algebraic number, namely 1 2 3 \tfrac12\sqrt 3 .

If A D AD is rational, then B C = 1 2 3 A D BC = \tfrac12\sqrt 3 AD is irrational. Statement 1 is therefore false, and statement 2 is true.

If B C BC is rational, then A D = 1 6 3 B C AD = \tfrac16\sqrt 3 BC is irrational. Statement 1 is therefore false, and statement 4 is true.

If A D AD is transcendental irrational, e.g. π \pi , then B C BC is also transcendental, because A D AD and B C BC are related algebraically. Statement 8 is therefore true.

The total "claim value" is therefore 2 + 4 + 8 = 14 2 + 4 + 8 = \boxed{14} .

Both A D AD and B C BC can be algebraically irrational too.

Muhammad Rasel Parvej - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Correct. As long as none of them is an element of the algebraic extension Q ( 3 ) \mathbb Q(\sqrt 3) .

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 6 months ago

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A little bit familiar with 'field Q \mathbb Q '. But not familiar with the notation ' Q ( 3 ) \mathbb Q (\sqrt{3}) '. Would you be kind to explain?

Muhammad Rasel Parvej - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Muhammad Rasel Parvej Sure. Q ( 3 ) \mathbb Q(\sqrt 3) consists precisely of all numbers of the form q 0 + q 1 3 q_0 + q_1\sqrt 3 , with rational q 0 , q 1 q_0,q_1 .


In general, if R R is a field and x x an element not in the field, R ( x ) R(x) stands for the field of all fractions of polynomials generated by x x over R R , i.e. R ( x ) = { p 0 + p 1 x + p 2 x 2 + + p n x n q 0 + q 1 x + q 2 x 2 + + q m x m with p i , q i R } . R(x) = \left\{ \frac{p_0 + p_1x + p_2x^2 + \cdots + p_nx^n}{q_0 + q_1x + q_2x^2 + \cdots + q_mx^m}\ \text{with}\ p_i,q_i \in R\right\}. If x x is algebraic over R R of order n n , this field is finitely generated, since powers x n x^n and greater may be reduced using the defining polynomial. Thus, if x x is quadratic over R R , we have R ( x ) = { r 0 + r 1 x , r 0 , r 1 R } . R(x) = \left\{ r_0 + r_1x,\ \ r_0,r_1 \in R\right\}.


One can add more than one element to a field in this fashion, e.g. Q ( 2 ) ( 3 ) = Q ( 2 , 3 ) \mathbb Q(\sqrt 2)(\sqrt 3) = \mathbb Q(\sqrt 2, \sqrt 3) consists of all expressions of the form q 0 + q 1 2 + q 2 3 + q 3 6 q_0 + q_1\sqrt 2 + q_2\sqrt 3 + q_3\sqrt 6 .

By continuing this process, one can define Q \mathbb Q^{\sqrt{\ }} as the limit of including all quadratic irrationals, and eventually by adding the roots of all rational polynomials, one obtains Q a \mathbb Q^a , the algebraic closure of Q \mathbb Q , which contains all algebraic numbers.

(Note: The set Q R + \mathbb Q^{\sqrt{\ }} \cap \mathbb R^+ is precisely the set of lengths that may be construed with straightedge and compass starting from a line segment of length 1.)


In the same fashion, we may define for instance, Q a ( π ) \mathbb Q^a(\pi) , which consists of all numbers that can be obtained by addition, subtraction, multiplication and division of rational or algebraic numbers and π \pi ; or ( Q ( π ) ) a (\mathbb Q(\pi))^a , which also includes numbers such as π \sqrt \pi .

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@Arjen Vreugdenhil That's very kind of you! I have understood more now.

I should resume my postponed study of Abstract Algebra. Then I will come back to this.

Muhammad Rasel Parvej - 3 years, 6 months ago

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