Equivalent Resistance (H)

What is the equivalent resistance (in Ω) between 1 1 and 3 3 in this circuit, to 2 decimal places?


The answer is 1.16.

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3 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Jan 16, 2015

It is difficult to present solution without a diagram. I will try to use some notations. I hope they are useful.

x + y x in series with y x y x parallel with y y x Δ z + + x, y and z in a delta-connection x Y z + y + x,y, z in a wye-connection \begin {matrix} x+y & \text{x in series with y} \\ x||y & \text{x parallel with y} \\ _y^x\Delta z^+_+ & \text {x, y and z in a delta-connection} \\ x Y _{z+}^{y+} & \text{x,y, z in a wye-connection} \end {matrix}

\triangle -Y transformation is used in the solution.

Now from node 1 to node 2:

R 12 = [ 4 3 Δ 1 0 + 8 + 6 ] [ 4 3 Δ 3 8 6 ] + 4 3 Δ 3 2 1 R_{12}=[^3_4 \Delta 10 ^{+6} _{+8} ]\space ||\space [^3_4 \Delta 3 ^6 _8 ]+^3_4 \Delta 3 ||2||1

= [ 3 × 4 3 + 10 + 4 Y 40 17 + 8 30 17 + 6 ] [ 6 5 Y 6 5 + 8 9 10 + 6 ] + 4 3 Δ 3 2 1 \quad \quad = [\frac{3\times 4}{3+10+4} Y ^{\frac{30}{17}+6} _{\frac{40}{17} + 8} ]\space ||\space [\frac{6}{5} Y ^{\frac{9}{10}+6} _{\frac{6}{5} + 8} ]+^3_4 \Delta 3 ||2||1

= [ 12 17 + ( 30 17 + 6 ) ( 40 17 + 8 ) ] [ 6 5 + ( 9 10 + 6 ) ( 6 5 + 8 ) ] \displaystyle \quad \quad = [\frac{12}{17}+(\frac{30}{17}+6)||(\frac{40}{17}+8)]\space ||\space [\frac{6}{5}+(\frac{9}{10}+6)||(\frac{6}{5}+8)] + 6 5 + ( 9 10 + 2 ) ( 6 5 + 1 ) \displaystyle \quad \quad \quad + \frac{6}{5}+(\frac{9}{10}+2)||(\frac{6}{5}+1)

= [ 12 17 + 30 + 102 17 × 40 + 136 17 30 + 102 17 + 40 + 136 17 ] [ 6 5 + 69 17 × 92 17 69 17 + 92 17 ] + 6 5 + 29 10 × 11 10 29 10 + 11 10 \displaystyle \quad \quad = \left[ \frac {12}{17} + \frac {\frac {30+102}{17}\times \frac {40+136}{17}}{\frac {30+102}{17} + \frac {40+136}{17}}\right] || \left[ \frac{6}{5}+\frac{\frac {69}{17}\times \frac {92}{17}}{\frac {69}{17}+ \frac {92}{17}} \right]+\frac{6}{5}+\frac{\frac {29}{10}\times \frac {11}{10}}{\frac {29}{10}+ \frac {11}{10}}

= [ 12 17 + 528 119 ] [ 6 5 + 138 35 ] + 6 5 + 319 255 \displaystyle \quad \quad = \left[ \frac {12}{17} + \frac {528}{119} \right] || \left[ \frac{6}{5}+\frac {138}{35} \right]+\frac{6}{5}+\frac{319}{255}

= 36 7 36 7 + 125 51 = 18 7 + 125 51 = 1793 357 Ω \quad \quad = \dfrac {36}{7} || \dfrac {36}{7} + \dfrac {125}{51} = \dfrac {18}{7} + \dfrac {125}{51} = \dfrac {1793}{357}\Omega

From node 2 to node 3:

R 23 = ( 6 + 3 ) 0 3 6 = 0 Ω R 123 = 1793 357 Ω R_{23} = (6+3)||0||3||6 = 0\Omega \quad \Rightarrow R_{123} = \dfrac {1793}{357}\Omega

From node 4 to node 3:

R 43 = [ 10 5 Δ 1 5 + 5 + + 5 + 15 Y 5 10 ] 3 10 8 R_{43} =[^5_{10} \Delta 15 ^{+5+} _{+5+} 15 Y ^{10}_{5} ] \space ||3||10||8

= [ 5 3 Y 5 + 5 + 5 2 5 2 + 5 + 5 Y 5 3 ] 3 10 8 \quad \quad = [\frac{5}{3} Y ^{\frac{5}{2} + 5 + 5} _{5+5+\frac{5}{2}} Y\frac {5}{3}] \space ||3||10||8

= [ 5 3 + ( 5 2 + 5 + 5 ) ( 5 + 5 + 5 2 ) + 5 3 ] 3 10 8 \displaystyle \quad \quad = \left[\frac {5}{3} + \left( \frac {5}{2}+5+5 \right) || \left( 5+5+\frac {5}{2} \right) + \frac{5}{3} \right]|| 3||10||8

= [ 5 3 + 25 4 + 5 3 ] 3 10 8 = 115 12 3 10 8 Ω \displaystyle \quad \quad = \left[\frac {5}{3} +\frac {25}{4} + \frac{5}{3} \right]|| 3||10||8 = \frac{115}{12}||3||10||8 \Omega

Therefore,

R 13 = R 123 R 43 = 1793 357 115 12 3 10 8 = 1 357 1793 + 12 115 + 1 3 + 1 10 + 1 8 R_{13} = R_{123}\space || \space R_{43} = \frac {1793}{357}||\frac{115}{12} || 3 || 10 || 8 = \dfrac {1}{\frac {357}{1793}+\frac {12}{115} + \frac {1}{3} + \frac {1}{10} + \frac{1}{8}}

= 1.16 \quad \quad \quad \quad \quad \quad \quad \quad = \boxed{1.16}

I've updated the question to remove the 0.36 part. Can you update the solution accordingly?

Abdulrahman khaled, in cases like this where the answer is completely wrong, it is better for you to report your question to get the answer to be updated, as opposed to changing the question to make the answer correct. This way, those who wrongly answered the question would know that they had made a mistake.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Why has the answer been changed?

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 4 months ago

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A few days after the problem was posed, Abdel realized that his answer was wrong, and added "subtract 0.36" to bring it back in line.

This meant that those who previously answered the question were wrong, but were not informed of their error. Also, the question was not phrased naturally, and would cause people to do a double take.

As such, I rephrased the question and updated the answer. Unfortunately, because you answered the question between Abdel's rephrasing and my editing, you did provide the correct answer to the question as posed (and also added a solution, Thanks!). I was in the midst of fixing the answer of those like you who were caught in between. During that time, you already entered the correct answer.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 4 months ago

I am sorry I was about to report it but I get confused when I saw three people solve it while it was wrong.

Abdel-Rahman Khaled - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@A K What happened , have you stopped posting questions ?

Also can you please suggest some tricks in solving Determinants ?

Thanks for the same .

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member I have lots of exams and I'll start posting problems after 30-6-2015

Abdulrahman El Shafei - 6 years, 1 month ago

@A Former Brilliant Member I about to end my exams so I'll do your great request ,soon

Abdulrahman El Shafei - 5 years, 11 months ago

Wait .. What ! It's you who posted this question ?? So you and Abdul Rahman Khaled are the same ??

Did you lose the password to your other account or what ? Please reply , I've got something to ask you .

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 2 months ago

Can u just explain what is wye connection? I am hearing for first time.

Shyambhu Mukherjee - 5 years, 7 months ago

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The Americans call "Y", wye. The British call it star connection. You may refer to this .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 7 months ago

There are resistors which shall not flow with current at [1].

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 6 months ago

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You are right. The 10 Ω 10\Omega and 3 Ω 3 \Omega . Why don't you write a solution? The top sub-circuit between 3 and 4 can also be simplified because of symmetry.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 6 months ago

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I realized afterwards that you noticed this in other question for capacitors. In case the situation becomes more complicated, then we must apply what you described. I think a general method can only be better and more powerful to apply for other changes. Just need to take note for cases that can be simplified. I didn't notice for sub-circuit you mentioned instead. I find that the solution you wrote is very nice and patient enough with creative notations. The concept is more important than some less important little issue. So, I don't have to make a redundant in this situation. Congratulation!

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 6 months ago

Nice set of notation you have build. Congratulations. A typo. It is Δ Y \Delta-Y transformation in line 6.

Niranjan Khanderia - 5 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks. I have amended it.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 1 month ago
Lu Chee Ket
Nov 18, 2015

1793 357 \frac{1793}{357} // 2760 1829 \frac{2760}{1829}

1793 357 2760 1829 1793 357 + 2760 1829 \displaystyle \frac{\frac{1793}{357} \frac{2760}{1829}}{\frac{1793}{357} + \frac{2760}{1829}} = (1.160377112947940039163208250395+) Ω \Omega {Just to provide a precise exact figure.}

4948680 4264717 \frac{4948680}{4264717} = 2 3 × 3 × 5 × 11 × 23 × 163 1021 × 4177 \frac{2^3 \times 3 \times 5 \times 11 \times 23 \times 163}{1021 \times 4177} for explicit prime factors.

Answer: 1.16 \boxed {1.16} Ω \Omega

  1. Split the circuit up into multiple parts (keep track of where they will go)
    1. Resolve each 'module' using the Y- Δ \Delta Transform and simplifying. This should be easy as they will be separated into parallel and series parts.
    2. Put it back together and hope you have not made a mistake.

You will need lots of working!

It is helpful to write out the formulae for the Y- Δ \Delta transform!

The total resistance between point 3 and 4 is zero !! so the total resistance between 1 and 3 is zero >>> Please check the diagram again.

Ossama Ismail - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Can you explain please how it is zero?.

Ranjit Patil - 5 years, 10 months ago

I did it by Chew Seong Cheong's method. Can you explain how to break it into star delta. Searched on Google but couldn't find anything.

Lavisha Parab - 6 years, 4 months ago

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