What is the equivalent resistance (in Ω) between 1 and 3 in this circuit, to 2 decimal places?
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I've updated the question to remove the 0.36 part. Can you update the solution accordingly?
Abdulrahman khaled, in cases like this where the answer is completely wrong, it is better for you to report your question to get the answer to be updated, as opposed to changing the question to make the answer correct. This way, those who wrongly answered the question would know that they had made a mistake.
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Why has the answer been changed?
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A few days after the problem was posed, Abdel realized that his answer was wrong, and added "subtract 0.36" to bring it back in line.
This meant that those who previously answered the question were wrong, but were not informed of their error. Also, the question was not phrased naturally, and would cause people to do a double take.
As such, I rephrased the question and updated the answer. Unfortunately, because you answered the question between Abdel's rephrasing and my editing, you did provide the correct answer to the question as posed (and also added a solution, Thanks!). I was in the midst of fixing the answer of those like you who were caught in between. During that time, you already entered the correct answer.
I am sorry I was about to report it but I get confused when I saw three people solve it while it was wrong.
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@A K What happened , have you stopped posting questions ?
Also can you please suggest some tricks in solving Determinants ?
Thanks for the same .
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@A Former Brilliant Member – I have lots of exams and I'll start posting problems after 30-6-2015
@A Former Brilliant Member – I about to end my exams so I'll do your great request ,soon
Wait .. What ! It's you who posted this question ?? So you and Abdul Rahman Khaled are the same ??
Did you lose the password to your other account or what ? Please reply , I've got something to ask you .
Can u just explain what is wye connection? I am hearing for first time.
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The Americans call "Y", wye. The British call it star connection. You may refer to this .
There are resistors which shall not flow with current at [1].
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You are right. The 1 0 Ω and 3 Ω . Why don't you write a solution? The top sub-circuit between 3 and 4 can also be simplified because of symmetry.
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I realized afterwards that you noticed this in other question for capacitors. In case the situation becomes more complicated, then we must apply what you described. I think a general method can only be better and more powerful to apply for other changes. Just need to take note for cases that can be simplified. I didn't notice for sub-circuit you mentioned instead. I find that the solution you wrote is very nice and patient enough with creative notations. The concept is more important than some less important little issue. So, I don't have to make a redundant in this situation. Congratulation!
Nice set of notation you have build. Congratulations. A typo. It is Δ − Y transformation in line 6.
3 5 7 1 7 9 3 // 1 8 2 9 2 7 6 0
3 5 7 1 7 9 3 + 1 8 2 9 2 7 6 0 3 5 7 1 7 9 3 1 8 2 9 2 7 6 0 = (1.160377112947940039163208250395+) Ω {Just to provide a precise exact figure.}
4 2 6 4 7 1 7 4 9 4 8 6 8 0 = 1 0 2 1 × 4 1 7 7 2 3 × 3 × 5 × 1 1 × 2 3 × 1 6 3 for explicit prime factors.
Answer: 1 . 1 6 Ω
You will need lots of working!
Δ transform!
It is helpful to write out the formulae for the Y-The total resistance between point 3 and 4 is zero !! so the total resistance between 1 and 3 is zero >>> Please check the diagram again.
I did it by Chew Seong Cheong's method. Can you explain how to break it into star delta. Searched on Google but couldn't find anything.
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It is difficult to present solution without a diagram. I will try to use some notations. I hope they are useful.
x + y x ∣ ∣ y y x Δ z + + x Y z + y + x in series with y x parallel with y x, y and z in a delta-connection x,y, z in a wye-connection
△ -Y transformation is used in the solution.
Now from node 1 to node 2:
R 1 2 = [ 4 3 Δ 1 0 + 8 + 6 ] ∣ ∣ [ 4 3 Δ 3 8 6 ] + 4 3 Δ 3 ∣ ∣ 2 ∣ ∣ 1
= [ 3 + 1 0 + 4 3 × 4 Y 1 7 4 0 + 8 1 7 3 0 + 6 ] ∣ ∣ [ 5 6 Y 5 6 + 8 1 0 9 + 6 ] + 4 3 Δ 3 ∣ ∣ 2 ∣ ∣ 1
= [ 1 7 1 2 + ( 1 7 3 0 + 6 ) ∣ ∣ ( 1 7 4 0 + 8 ) ] ∣ ∣ [ 5 6 + ( 1 0 9 + 6 ) ∣ ∣ ( 5 6 + 8 ) ] + 5 6 + ( 1 0 9 + 2 ) ∣ ∣ ( 5 6 + 1 )
= [ 1 7 1 2 + 1 7 3 0 + 1 0 2 + 1 7 4 0 + 1 3 6 1 7 3 0 + 1 0 2 × 1 7 4 0 + 1 3 6 ] ∣ ∣ [ 5 6 + 1 7 6 9 + 1 7 9 2 1 7 6 9 × 1 7 9 2 ] + 5 6 + 1 0 2 9 + 1 0 1 1 1 0 2 9 × 1 0 1 1
= [ 1 7 1 2 + 1 1 9 5 2 8 ] ∣ ∣ [ 5 6 + 3 5 1 3 8 ] + 5 6 + 2 5 5 3 1 9
= 7 3 6 ∣ ∣ 7 3 6 + 5 1 1 2 5 = 7 1 8 + 5 1 1 2 5 = 3 5 7 1 7 9 3 Ω
From node 2 to node 3:
R 2 3 = ( 6 + 3 ) ∣ ∣ 0 ∣ ∣ 3 ∣ ∣ 6 = 0 Ω ⇒ R 1 2 3 = 3 5 7 1 7 9 3 Ω
From node 4 to node 3:
R 4 3 = [ 1 0 5 Δ 1 5 + 5 + + 5 + 1 5 Y 5 1 0 ] ∣ ∣ 3 ∣ ∣ 1 0 ∣ ∣ 8
= [ 3 5 Y 5 + 5 + 2 5 2 5 + 5 + 5 Y 3 5 ] ∣ ∣ 3 ∣ ∣ 1 0 ∣ ∣ 8
= [ 3 5 + ( 2 5 + 5 + 5 ) ∣ ∣ ( 5 + 5 + 2 5 ) + 3 5 ] ∣ ∣ 3 ∣ ∣ 1 0 ∣ ∣ 8
= [ 3 5 + 4 2 5 + 3 5 ] ∣ ∣ 3 ∣ ∣ 1 0 ∣ ∣ 8 = 1 2 1 1 5 ∣ ∣ 3 ∣ ∣ 1 0 ∣ ∣ 8 Ω
Therefore,
R 1 3 = R 1 2 3 ∣ ∣ R 4 3 = 3 5 7 1 7 9 3 ∣ ∣ 1 2 1 1 5 ∣ ∣ 3 ∣ ∣ 1 0 ∣ ∣ 8 = 1 7 9 3 3 5 7 + 1 1 5 1 2 + 3 1 + 1 0 1 + 8 1 1
= 1 . 1 6