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It’s White's turn to move. If both White and Black play optimally, what is the minimum number of moves for White to checkmate the Black king?

1 2 3 4 5 It is not possible

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Venkatachalam J
May 8, 2017

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I don't understand why it's not two moves. You can do a backup to the left with knight and go on top line with queen. Two moves checkmate.

Matvei . - 4 years, 1 month ago

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I thought similar, but with pawn promotion to queen; but Black can move pawn at h7 for an escape route.

Geoff Collinson - 4 years, 1 month ago

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If Black moves pawn to H7, then you promote to Knight. But that is not checkmate, darn it.

Victor Shirosaki - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@Victor Shirosaki Quite! So it's more than 2 moves for a checkmate. (Another one wrong for me :D)

Geoff Collinson - 4 years, 1 month ago

1.Ng6+ hxg6 2.Qc8+ Kh7 ....... mate in four moves

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

That is wrong its possible in 2 move the queen then take the knight out checkmate

Michael frazer - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Kindly explain your plan with steps.

Venkatachalam J - 4 years, 1 month ago

What if black's first step is g3 and second g4+

Chandra V - 4 years, 1 month ago

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I think in your question you are trying to say blacks first step is g3 and second g2+.

Answer for your question:

  1. Qf1, g3 2. Ng6+,hxg6 3. Qh3++

Thank you. I updated the solution.

Venkatachalam J - 4 years, 1 month ago

Why not Qc8, then Kd7 or Ke6- two moves.

Alex Whitney - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Qc8 delays the mate in one move.

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

How do we log in? Use white knight to check king. Doesn't matter if it is taken. White pawn up, check mate.

j j - 4 years, 1 month ago

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1.Ng6+, hxg6 2. g8(Q)+, Kh7 .. how it will end in check mate in three steps. It will take more than three steps. You forgot now King is able to move to h7.

Venkatachalam J - 4 years, 1 month ago

Is there a way we can show that this is optimal without exhaustive search?

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 4 years, 1 month ago

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First move is 1.Qf1 optimal. Based on the Black move we need to do further move.

Venkatachalam J - 4 years, 1 month ago

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The question is how to prove that there is no 2-move solution without a far more exhaustive explanation.

Richard Desper - 4 years, 1 month ago

This is wrong. The answer is two. Knight pits king in check. Pawn must kill knight. Pawn pushes and becomes rook. Checkmate!

Alexander Hale - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Nevermind. I see it now.

Alexander Hale - 4 years, 1 month ago

  1. Qd3, Bb2 2. Qh7 <- Checkmate. There's only 2 moves needed if White is playing optimally and Black moves their Bishop first. Black's Bishop can't do anything to stop the queen from taking Black's Pawn at H7. But, Black would not be playing optimally that way. Black's 1st optimal move would be to move Pawn at G7 to G6. Then, White has no choice but to take Black's bishop to get a checkmate. But by then, G7 is open for the Bishop to move to. Black playing optimally would then choose not to attack White's Knight because their King would be left vulnerable to possible attack from White's Queen. From there, it would take many more moves for white to win. So 2 and 3 are both incorrect.

Byron Gregg - 4 years, 1 month ago

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1.Qd3 delays the mate in one move. The key move is Qf1!, then anything goes.

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

only two moves required

ajesh varghese - 4 years, 1 month ago

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It will take minimum three moves. Check your moves in the board. It will give better understanding.

Venkatachalam J - 4 years, 1 month ago

The black can delay the check mate by moving the pawn on h4 forward and wasting a move by giving check.

Gaurav Gupta - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Be careful in analyzing. There is no black pawn in the h4 square.

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

pawn in not placed in h4 it is placed in g4 if it try to move g3 also we will mate by three moves

  1. Qf1, g3 2. Ng6+,hxg6 3. Qh3++

Venkatachalam J - 4 years, 1 month ago

I don't understand, why not Queen to e4 then Queen to h7, therefore the mate is in two?

Shanly Krismas - 4 years, 1 month ago

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white: queen to e4 then black: pawn to g6 ..... it is not mate in two..

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

Why isn't it one? Can't you move the white pawn to promote it to a queen, checkmating the king in one move? How can black get out of that?

Allison Regan - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Unfortunately, the knight is blocking the pawn. There is no way the pawn can move in this move.

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years, 1 month ago

  1. Ng6+, hxg6, Qxg4, Bf6, Qh3+, Bh4, Qxh4#. 4 moves. Ne6 as the first move also mates in four. but there is no variant in which white mates in less moves assuming assuming black plays optimally. the answer they give, three, is just wrong. i even checked with a chess engine to make sure i wasn't crazy :))

Horia Duţă - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Ng6+ is a good move, but Qh1 is a better move. I don't know what your chess engine is, but the weakest chess engine will show that Qh1 is the best move for white. although white wins (Ng6+), but it is not the least number of moves as required in the problem.

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

knight to e6, pon to queen.... 2

Daniel Pinto - 4 years, 1 month ago

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after knight to e6, black will move the h6 pawn to provide escape route for the black king. it becomes mate in four not three. although white wins, but it is not the least number of moves as required in the problem

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

I have an alternative solution . Please correct me if i am wrong. 1: knight to G6 check ! ,black has no option but to kill knight with pawn so black pawn to G6. 2 queen to G4 ,now black has many options like - A) king to G7 B) pawn to G5 C) bishop to anywhere possible . 3. In any case queen to h3 will be checkmate!!

Ambuj Agrawal - 4 years ago

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Check this comment by Horia Duţă . 2 ... Bf6 can help Black delay checkmate by one move.

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years ago

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@Pranshu Gaba thank you for pointing it out .

Ambuj Agrawal - 4 years ago

I think it should be 1 move i.e move knight from f8 to g6 and then black king will be blocked and cannot move because if it moves it will be killed by bishop else by knight.

Jhanvi Kanakhara - 4 years ago

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The pawn at h7 can capture the knight

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years ago

Knight G6 also works!

Anonymous Zang - 4 years ago

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If you do that, then pawn at h7 captures Ng6. What are your next moves?

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years ago

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Queen capture G4, then checkmate king by moving to h column, no matter what black does. =)

Anonymous Zang - 4 years ago

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@Anonymous Zang After Qxg4, black plays Bishop f6. The bishop can then go between white queen and the black king.

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years ago

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@Pranshu Gaba True! I was wrong, sorry. Thanks for the correction!

Anonymous Zang - 4 years ago

This is wrong because the black pawn on G7 could move up one causing this to not work.

Chenwei Yang - 4 years ago

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White pawns move up, and Black pawns move down.

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years ago

It only take two moves right?

David Lin - 1 year, 1 month ago

There 's a problem

David Lin - 1 year, 1 month ago

How about: 1. knight to G6 (check) Black pawn must take knight 2. then White bishop takes pawn at G6. Black could do any move 3. then White queen to C8 (checkmate)

Garth Kroeker - 4 years, 1 month ago

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h7 pawn already moved from its location. So, king can move to h7 for the check.

Venkatachalam J - 4 years, 1 month ago

Queen to C8 then knight to E6. Mate in two moves. Even if black moves the pawn on G7 to G8 the king wouldn't be able to move to G7 because of the knight.

Salykutty Thampy - 4 years, 1 month ago

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After queen to c8, black will move the pawn at h7 to h6. Queen to c8 delays the mate. It becomes mate in four moves not three.

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago
Freddie Hand
May 7, 2017

1.Qf1!!

Any bishop move leads to the queen forking the h7-square and the bishop. The only way black can stop mate then is g6, but then white can take the bishop with checkmate!

1...h6 or 1...h5 loses to 2.Qb1

1...g6 or 1...g5 loses to 2.Qxa1#

1...g3 2.Ng6+! hxg6 3.Qh3#

it can be done in 2 moves 1- move queen to right diagonal white box 2- then in right diagonal remove the black on left of king check and mate !

Hafiz Majid Ali - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Can you use proper chess notation please? I can't really understand!

Freddie Hand - 4 years, 1 month ago

In any interpretation of your vague description i can find, there's a way to stop any 2-move mate attempt. Sorry, but I can't agree with you without unambiguous chess notation.

Wes Pinchot - 3 years, 6 months ago

Two moves: Qd3, then Qh7. would only require 3 moves if Black moves Pg7 to Pg6. Quenn would take pawn and then move to h7 next turn.

David Gilleland - 4 years, 1 month ago

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What would the optimal move for black after Qxg6? Will it be possible for White Queen to take h7 in the next move?

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years, 1 month ago

Pg6 blocks Qh7 in that case

Ryu Uy - 4 years, 1 month ago

But first PxQ.

Wes Pinchot - 3 years, 6 months ago

knight e6. pon f8. 2

Daniel Pinto - 4 years, 1 month ago

this is the correct answer

Ryu Uy - 4 years, 1 month ago

This is hard one because it has many variations. Assuming that both White and Black play optimally, white will mate the Black king in three moves. So the hint is to look at the White King, it cannot move! The key move is Qf1! \text{Qf1!} . After Qf1! \text{Qf1!} , Black has many replies, then mate follows in a few moves.

I answered 2 but it was marked incorrect. You can mate in 2:

  1. Ng6+ hxg6 2. Qh4# hxg6 is forced as black has no other move out of check.

Riyaz V. P. - 4 years, 1 month ago

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how can Qh4 happen when there's a pawn blocking the way?

Ryu Uy - 4 years, 1 month ago

My bad. I missed the pawn on g4

Riyaz V. P. - 4 years, 1 month ago

Yes 2 you take the queen on the same line of the horse and you take the horse between the two soldiers and it's over for the blacks

Jawad Fao - 4 years, 1 month ago

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if you put the queen in line with the knight, black will play h6

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

I believe you could finish that in two steps .. if you push the king ahead to the edge (0,2) .. and shift the horse back to (1,3)

Sultan Sal - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Be careful in analyzing, the king cannot be the first move here. Remember that the queen is more powerful than the king and please use proper chess notation. No one knows where (0,2) is ..... or (1,3) ...

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

first move Qxg4

Johnny Kimayong - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Bf6 by black blocks any attempt to mate in 3 in this case

Ryu Uy - 4 years, 1 month ago

Why not 2 moves, Qd3 and Qh7?

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

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because Pg6 blocks Qh7

Ryu Uy - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Alright, I missed the part "play optimally".

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

Can't we checkmate in two steps? if we move the knight to e6 and the pawn to f8 the pawn becomes whatever u want ...

Mahmoud Osama - 4 years, 1 month ago

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after knight to e6, black will move the h6 pawn to provide escape route for the black king. it becomes mate in four not three. although white wins, but it is not the least number of moves as required in the problem.

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

Answer is 2. Qc4-c8 then moving your horse to g6. The end.

Magnus Häggblad - 4 years, 1 month ago

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The key word being 'optimally'. It's not optimal to allow yourself to be checkmated in 2 moves when you can force the inevitable victor into more than 2 moves.

If Qc8 is the first move, Black can force White to 4 moves by moving a pawn away from the king, to create a brief escape.

Move White Black
1 Qc8 Ph6
2 Ng6+ Kh7
3 f8=N+ Kg8
4 Qe6#

Jonathan Quarrie - 4 years ago

an alternative, also three moves: 1. Ktg6+ PxKt 2. QxP anything 3. Qh3++

not 3 moves black bishop can move to f6 then h4 to block the white queen on h3

Aviel Avshalumov - 4 years, 1 month ago

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AA, you are correct

Walter Neilsen-Steinhardt - 4 years, 1 month ago

Knight to g6 delays the mate in one move.

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 1 month ago

it is four moves

Johnny Kimayong - 4 years, 1 month ago
Julio Catalino
Nov 2, 2017
  1. Qf1 H5 2. Qb1 G6 3. Qxa1#

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