Energy stored

Consider the following system of charge distribution of two equally, oppositely and uniformly charged clouds are brought close to overlap each other till only small very thin charged caps are left on either side as shown in figure.

The distance between their centers is X X and X < < R X << R

Find the total electrostatic energy stored in the system 3.

If it is given by the expression a ρ b R c X d π e ϵ \dfrac {a {\rho}^{b} R^c X^d \pi } {e \epsilon } for positive integers a , b , c , d , e a,b,c,d,e with a , e a,e coprime, what is the value of a + b + c + d + e a+b+c+d+e ?

Hint: Energy density in electric field is given by ϵ E 2 2 \dfrac { \epsilon E^2}{2} .

Details and Assumptions :

  • ρ \rho stands for charge per unit volume.

  • X X is the distance between the centers in configuration 3.

  • R R is the radius of each cloud .


The answer is 18.

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3 solutions

This is one of the straightforward problem but it a little bit brute force.So I will skip some easy understand calculation.

Let start with finding the electric field.We'll find the field in two region one is the region in side a spherical shell of radius R and the other is the out side region.

E ; r < R \displaystyle \vec{E} ; r<R

E t o t = E + + E \displaystyle \vec{E_{tot}}=\vec{E_{+}}+\vec{E_{-}} and E + = ρ r + 3 ϵ 0 a n d E = ρ r 3 ϵ 0 \vec{E_{+}}=\dfrac{\rho \vec{r_{+}}}{3\epsilon_{0}} and \vec{E_{-}}=-\dfrac{\rho \vec{r_{-}}}{3\epsilon_{0}} where position vector point from center of each sphere to field point.

E t o t = ρ X 3 ϵ 0 \displaystyle \vec{E_{tot}}=\frac{\rho \vec{X}}{3\epsilon_{0}}

Since the separation is very small compare to radius so we can treat our overlap cloud into one spherical cloud.

the energy inside this sphere is then

E = 1 2 ϵ 0 E 2 d V = ϵ 0 2 × ρ 2 X 2 9 ϵ 0 2 × 4 3 π R 3 \displaystyle E=\int \frac{1}{2}\epsilon_{0} \vec{E}^{2} dV=\frac{\epsilon_{0}}{2} \times \frac{\rho^{2}X^{2}}{9 \epsilon_{0}^{2} } \times \frac{4}{3} \pi R^{3}

E = 2 ρ 2 R 3 X 2 π 27 ϵ 0 \displaystyle E=\frac{2\rho^{2}R^{3}X^{2} \pi}{27 \epsilon_{0}}

Now let's get outside the shell.

when we are outside the sphere we can treat our system as a dipole system without any violation of the original situation.

First we have to find the field from dipole and I have use polar coordinate and gradient in polar form to solve this.I'll skip how I get the field but this is the result.

E o u t = p 4 π ϵ 0 r 3 ( 2 cos ( θ ) r ^ + sin ( θ ) θ ^ ) \displaystyle \vec{E_{out}}=\frac{p}{4\pi \epsilon_{0}r^{3}} \left ( 2\cos(\theta)\hat{r}+\sin(\theta)\hat{\theta} \right )

Then the energy is

ϵ 0 2 ( E 2 r 2 sin ( θ ) d ϕ d θ d r ) = p 2 16 π ϵ 0 ( R 1 r 4 d r θ = 0 π ( 3 cos 2 ( θ ) + 1 ) d cos ( θ ) ) \displaystyle \frac{\epsilon_{0}}{2} \left ( \iiint \vec{E}^{2} r^{2} \sin(\theta) d\phi d\theta dr \right )=\frac{p^{2}}{16\pi \epsilon_{0}} \left ( \int_{R}^{\infty}\frac{1}{r^{4}} dr \cdot \int_{\theta=0}^{\pi} (3\cos^{2}(\theta)+1 )d\cos(\theta) \right )

= p 2 12 π ϵ 0 R 3 = 4 ρ 2 R 3 X 2 π 27 ϵ 0 \displaystyle =\frac{p^{2}}{12\pi \epsilon_{0}R^{3}}=\frac{4\rho^{2} R^{3}X^{2}\pi}{27 \epsilon_{0}}

Combine this two energy we get

E = 2 ρ 2 R 3 X 2 π 9 ϵ 0 \displaystyle E=\frac{2\rho^{2}R^{3}X^{2} \pi}{9 \epsilon_{0}}

2 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 9 = 18 \displaystyle 2+2+3+2+9=\boxed{18}

I attempted to solve this problem but finally ended up looking the solution . Please help me in this __ what is wrong if we try to find the individual energy of the 2 spheres and their interaction energy and then just sum it up ? Please help .

Ujjwal Mani Tripathi - 5 years, 11 months ago

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It will correct if you sum it properly. Can you show me your calculation(just over all)?

คลุง แจ็ค - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Thanks for the reply I calculated it as 2×3/5KQ^2 /R - KQ^2 /X . And since it is given that R>> X , we ignore the 1st term and the answer becoms -KQ^2 /X.

Ujjwal Mani Tripathi - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@Ujjwal Mani Tripathi Can you show me your calculation of the last term please.

คลุง แจ็ค - 5 years, 11 months ago

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@คลุง แจ็ค Some energy will be dissipated when state 3 is obtained. Hence E is nt interaction E + self E. Refer to above soln

Ace Pilot - 5 years, 9 months ago

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@Ace Pilot Why will the energy be dissipated ? And how do we know if the energy is dissipated

Ujjwal Mani Tripathi - 5 years, 9 months ago

Oh and I think you may make a mistake the you "sum" but cross term (interaction term) have to be a negative sign right?

คลุง แจ็ค - 5 years, 11 months ago

Cant we find that interaction E by using concepts of capacitor? I mean the two uncommon part which u took as dipole can be thought as capacitor plates and we can find its capacitance and its charge and hence by Q²/2C will be the energy

Ace Pilot - 5 years, 9 months ago

Hey but the formula you used for dipole is applicable only for large distances

raj abhinav - 1 year, 1 month ago

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But large with respect to what? The answer is large with respect to the separation of charges that form the dipole. In this case, the separation is X and the distance we are considering is at least R, which is indeed much greater than X.

คลุง แจ็ค - 11 months, 1 week ago
Spandan Senapati
Mar 2, 2017

Quite an interesting problem.So we make use of spherical polar coordinates to solve.1)For the part inside the overlapping region.We could simply conclude that the field here is constant.This infact can be proved by superposing the fields due to the individual spheres.So as the file is constant we simple have U ( 1 ) = ( e E 2 / 2 ) ( 4 / 3 ) π R 3 . 2 ) U(1)=(eE^2/2)(4/3)πR^3.2) .For an external point we could simply use a dipole approximation.since to calculate the field at an external point we may assume the charge at the centre and these are separated by small distances dipole approximation holds good.The vol can be written quite easily in spherical polar coordinates.Once its done we have to use d U = d V ( 1 / 2 ) e E 2 dU=dV(1/2)eE^2 .Then integrate by setting limits of the polar angle from 0 π 0-π ,Azimuthal angle from 0 2 π 0-2π and radial distance fro R-infinite.This comes to be U ( 2 ) = ( q 2 x 2 / 12 π e R 3 ) U(2)=(q^2x^2/12πeR^3) and adding with U ( 1 ) U(1) and expressing the charge in terms of vol. Density we get the and.Note that e e here refers to permittivity of vaccum.

Ace Pilot
Aug 30, 2015

Easy. E= [p(4/3)π(x/2)³]/4€π(x/2)²= px/3€ Therefore dU/dV=1/2( €E²) Substituting E=px/3€ Since feild is uniform U=1/2 €[px/3€]²(4/3)πR³ since x<<R=> r~R [2p²x²πR³/9€] Hence 2+2+2+3+9=18

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