Finding the nature of roots is complex

Algebra Level 3

Let f ( x ) = A x 2 + B x + C f(x) = A{ x }^{ 2 } + Bx + C be a quadratic polynomial with A B C A\neq B\neq C and A , B , C > 0 A, B, C > 0

Also A B + C < 0 A-B+C<0

Then the roots of f ( x ) f(x) are __________ \text{\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_} .

Real and Distinct Imaginary Equal

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Akash Saha
Apr 2, 2016

f ( x ) = A x 2 + B x + C f(x)=A{ x }^{ 2 }+Bx+C and A B C A\neq B\neq C

Let A + B + C = m m > 0 A+B+C=m\quad \Rightarrow \quad m>0 ....(1)

and A B + C = n n < 0 A-B+C=n\quad \Rightarrow \quad n<0 ....(2)

From (1), we have A + C = m B A+C=m-B

Applying AM-GM on A A and C C , we have

A + C 2 > A C m B 2 > A C \frac { A+C }{ 2 } >\sqrt { AC } \quad \Rightarrow \quad \frac { m-B }{ 2 } >\sqrt { AC }

Therefore ( m B 2 ) 2 > A C m 2 + B 2 2 m B > 4 A C { \left( \frac { m-B }{ 2 } \right) }^{ 2 }>AC\quad \Rightarrow \quad { m }^{ 2 }+{ B }^{ 2 }-2mB>4AC

B 2 4 A C > 2 m B m 2 B 2 4 A C > m ( 2 B m ) \Rightarrow \quad { B }^{ 2 }-4AC>2mB-{ m }^{ 2 }\quad \Rightarrow \quad { B }^{ 2 }-4AC>m(2B-m)

But B 2 4 A C { B }^{ 2 }-4AC is the discriminant of f ( x ) f(x)

D > m ( 2 B A B C ) D > m ( A B + C ) D > m n \Rightarrow \quad D>m(2B-A-B-C)\quad \Rightarrow \quad D>-m(A-B+C)\\ \Rightarrow \quad D>-mn

From (1) and (2), m > 0 a n d n < 0 m n < 0 D > 0 m>0\quad and\quad n<0\quad \Rightarrow \quad mn<0\\ \Rightarrow \quad D>0

Hence the equation has real and distinct roots.

How do we know if A A and C C are positive so that we can apply AM-GM?

Rishik Jain - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Thanks. I edited the problem. :)

Akash Saha - 5 years, 2 months ago

AM-GM is for any 2 real numbers. Edit : AM-GM is for any two positive reals.

Akash Saha - 5 years, 2 months ago

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A.M. G.M. IS APPLICABLE FOR TWO OR MORE POSITIVE NUMBERS

Sathyam Tripathi - 5 years, 2 months ago

Take a and b negative then apply.

Kushagra Sahni - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Kushagra Sahni Alright, sorry. AM-GM is for positive reals.

Akash Saha - 5 years, 2 months ago

B > A + C B 2 > A 2 + C 2 + 2 A C B 2 4 A C > ( A C ) 2 B>A+C\implies B^2>A^2+C^2+2AC\implies B^2-4AC>(A-C)^2

Since A C A\ne C we have Discriminant real.

Alternative : Let f ( x ) = A x 2 + B x + C f(x) = Ax^2+Bx+C

f ( x ) = A x 2 B x + C f(-x)=Ax^2-Bx+C

We have two sign changes f ( x ) f(-x) , so that it has two real negative roots by DESCARTE'S RULE OF SIGNS and a quadratic has almost two roots so no complex roots exists

You can't use Descartes Rule of Sign \color{#D61F06}{\text{Descartes Rule of Sign}} to show that f ( x ) \color{#20A900}{f(x)} has no negative real roots as Descartes Rule of Sign \color{#D61F06}{\text{Descartes Rule of Sign}} doesn't tell the exact number of real roots a polynomial can have, it just sets an upper bound on number of real roots. If f ( x ) \color{#20A900}{f(-x)} have 2 \color{#3D99F6}{2} sign changes, then this indicates that f ( x ) \color{#20A900}{f(x)} either have 2 \color{magenta}{2} or 0 \color{magenta}{0} negative real root(s).

Aditya Sky - 5 years, 2 months ago

I did in da same way!

Tanmay Sinha - 5 years, 2 months ago
Sathyam Tripathi
Apr 3, 2016

F(1)=A+B+C>0 F(-1)=A-B+C<0 As sign has changed from F(-1)to F(1), there is a root in (-1,1).for A>0 there another root which is <-1 . for A < 0 there is a root greater than one.Hence F(x) has two distinct and real roots.

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