First construct, then find the distances.

Geometry Level 4

A B C ABC is a triangle with A B = 9 AB=9 , A C = 11 AC=11 and B C = 12 BC=12 . Point D D lies on side B C BC , so that B D = 3 D C BD=3DC . First, construct (in the Euclidean sense: straightedge and compass ) a point P P on line A D AD , so, that B D BD and D C DC are subtended by equal angles from P P . Then, find its distances from vertices B B and C C .

If P B = m PB=m and P C = n PC=n , submit m + n m+n .


The answer is 16.

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4 solutions

Sathvik Acharya
Mar 31, 2021

Since B D = 3 D C BD=3DC and B D + D C = B C = 12 BD+DC=BC=12 , we have, B D = 9 , C D = 3 BD=9,\; CD=3 .

Using Stewart's Theorem , in A B C \triangle ABC , A D 2 = A B 2 C D + A C 2 B D B D + C D B D C D = 81 3 + 121 9 12 27 A D = 84 = 2 21 \begin{aligned} AD^2&= \frac{AB^2\cdot CD+ AC^2\cdot BD}{BD+CD}-BD\cdot CD \\ \\ &=\frac{81\cdot 3+121\cdot 9}{12}-27 \\ \\ \therefore \; AD&=\sqrt{84}=2\sqrt{21} \end{aligned}

Consider point P P on line A D AD such that B P D = C P D . \angle BPD=\angle CPD.\; Also, C D P = A D B = B A D A P B D P C \;\angle CDP=\angle ADB=\angle BAD\implies \triangle APB\sim \triangle DPC , A B C D = P B P C = A P D P 9 3 = m n = 2 21 + P D P D P D = 21 , m = 3 n \begin{aligned} \frac{AB}{CD}&=\frac{PB}{PC}=\frac{AP}{DP} \\ \\ \frac{9}{3}=&\frac{m}{n}=\frac{2\sqrt{21}+PD}{PD} \\ \\ \therefore\; PD&=\sqrt{21},\; m=3n \end{aligned} Using Stewart's Theorem, in P B C \triangle PBC , P D 2 = P B 2 C D + P C 2 B D B D + C D B D C D 21 = 3 m 2 + 9 n 2 12 27 576 = 3 ( 3 n ) 2 + 9 n 2 n = 4 , m = 12 m + n = 16 \begin{aligned} PD^2&= \frac{PB^2\cdot CD+ PC^2\cdot BD}{BD+CD}-BD\cdot CD \\ \\ 21&=\frac{3m^2+9n^2}{12}-27 \\ \\ 576&=3(3n)^2+9n^2 \\ \\ \therefore \; n&=4,\; m=12\implies \boxed{m+n=16} \end{aligned}


Construction: To locate point P P on line A D AD ,

  • Draw the perpendicular bisector of B C BC and let it intersect A D AD at M M .

  • Draw the circumcircle of M B C \triangle MBC and the intersection point (other than M M ) of line A D AD and the circle gives us the desired point P P .

Since M M lies on the perpendicular bisector of B C , M B = M C . BC,\; MB=MC.\; Using the fact that equal chords subtend equal angles on the circle, we have, M P B = M P C B P D = C P D . \angle MPB=\angle MPC\implies \angle BPD=\angle CPD.

Very nice work, on both, the calculation of lengths (Stewart's theorem is a useful tool) and the construction. Thank you for posting.

Thanos Petropoulos - 2 months, 1 week ago

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Thank you for the kind comments/remark.

Sathvik Acharya - 2 months, 1 week ago

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Thank you for the problem, Thanos and lessons on Stewart's theorem, Sathvik. I did it the long way with cosine rules, but now I've learned a new shortcut.

Saya Suka - 2 months, 1 week ago

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@Saya Suka Yes, Stewart's theorem is a very helpful in many cases. Also, proof of Stewart's theorem is just cosine rule applied twice :)

Sathvik Acharya - 2 months, 1 week ago

@Saya Suka I'm glad you found interesting ideas in this problem and its solution. Indeed, Stewart's theorem saves time.

Thanos Petropoulos - 2 months, 1 week ago

You can find a way around Stewart's using Ptolemy's theorem :)

Vishwash Kumar ΓΞΩ - 2 months, 1 week ago

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What about the length of diagonal MP ?

Sathvik Acharya - 2 months, 1 week ago

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You only need the ratio M D : M B MD: MB . (Which is easy to determine?)

Vishwash Kumar ΓΞΩ - 2 months, 1 week ago

Construction #1

Here is a quick construction: Step 1: Reflect point B B across line A D AD and let the image be point B {B}' .

Step 2: Draw line B C {B}'C .

Then, P P is the intersection of B C {B}'C and A D AD .
Indeed, B B P \triangle B{B}'P is isosceles, with its height P N PN lying on A D AD . But this height is also the angle bisector of B P B \angle BP{B}' , hence, B P D = C P D \angle BPD = \angle CPD .


Construction #2

By Angle Bisector Theorem , it holds that P B P C = D B D C = 3 \dfrac{PB}{PC}=\dfrac{DB}{DC}=3 Hence, point P P lies on an Apollonian circle of segment B C BC for this ratio. Step 1: Construct the harmonic conjugate of D D w.r.t. B B and C C , i.e. extend B C BC to a point E E , such that B D = D E BD=DE . Indeed, if B D = D E BD=DE , then E B = 18 EB=18 and E C = 6 EC=6 , thus E B E C = 18 6 = 3 = D B D C \dfrac{EB}{EC}=\dfrac{18}{6}=3=\dfrac{DB}{DC} Step 2: Construct a circle of diameter D E DE (the Apollonian circle)

Then, P P is the intersection of A D AD and this circle (different than D D ).

Indeed, since P P belongs to this particular Apollonian circle, it holds that P B P C = D B D C \dfrac{PB}{PC}=\dfrac{DB}{DC} And, by (the converse of) the Angle bisector theorem, B P D = C P D \angle BPD = \angle CPD .

Both constructions are extremely clever!

Sathvik Acharya - 2 months, 1 week ago
David Vreken
Apr 1, 2021

Place the diagram on a coordinate system so that B B is at B ( 0 , 0 ) B(0, 0) and C C is at C ( 12 , 0 ) C(12, 0) .

Since B D = 3 D C BD = 3DC , and B D + D C = B C = 12 BD + DC = BC = 12 , B D = 9 BD = 9 and D C = 3 DC = 3 , which makes D D at D ( 9 , 0 ) D(9, 0) .

Let A A have coordinates of ( A x , A y ) (A_x, A_y) . Since A B = 9 AB = 9 and A C = 11 AC = 11 , by the distance formula ( A x 0 ) 2 + ( A y 0 ) 2 = 9 2 (A_x - 0)^2 + (A_y - 0)^2 = 9^2 and ( A x 12 ) 2 + ( A y 0 ) 2 = 1 1 2 (A_x - 12)^2 + (A_y - 0)^2 = 11^2 , and these two equations solve to A ( A x , A y ) = A ( 13 3 , 4 35 3 ) A(A_x, A_y) = A(\frac{13}{3}, \frac{4\sqrt{35}}{3}) .

The line AD through A ( 13 3 , 4 35 3 ) A(\frac{13}{3}, \frac{4\sqrt{35}}{3}) and D ( 9 , 0 ) D(9, 0) then has an equation of y = 2 35 7 ( x 9 ) y = -\frac{2\sqrt{35}}{7}(x - 9) .

Since P P is on A D AD , let P P have coordinates of P ( p , 2 35 7 ( p 9 ) ) P(p, -\frac{2\sqrt{35}}{7}(p - 9)) .

Since B P D = C P D \angle BPD = \angle CPD , by the angle bisector theorem, B D B P = D C P C \frac{BD}{BP} = \frac{DC}{PC} , and since B D = 3 D C BD = 3DC , then B P = 3 P C BP = 3PC .

Since B P = 3 P C BP = 3PC , then by the distance formula, ( p 0 ) 2 + ( 2 35 7 ( p 9 ) 0 ) 2 = 3 ( p 12 ) 2 + ( 2 35 7 ( p 9 ) 0 ) 2 \sqrt{(p - 0)^2 + (-\frac{2\sqrt{35}}{7}(p - 9) - 0)^2} = 3\sqrt{(p - 12)^2 + (-\frac{2\sqrt{35}}{7}(p - 9) - 0)^2} , which solves to p = 34 3 p = \frac{34}{3} , and makes B P = 12 BP = 12 and P C = 4 PC = 4 .

Therefore, B P + P C = 12 + 4 = 16 BP + PC = 12 + 4 = \boxed{16} .

Nice job! Any alternative for the construction, different than the one @Sathvik Acharya proposed?

Thanos Petropoulos - 2 months, 1 week ago

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Since B P = B C = 12 BP = BC = 12 , P P would be on the intersection of the line segment A D AD and an arc with a radius of B C BC centered at B B .

David Vreken - 2 months, 1 week ago

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Yes, but the title says " First construct, then find the distances". What if you don't know that B P = 12 BP=12 ?

Thanos Petropoulos - 2 months, 1 week ago

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@Thanos Petropoulos Sorry, I misread the question. I don't have an alternative construction other than Sathvik's, then.

David Vreken - 2 months, 1 week ago

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@David Vreken I have posted one.

Thanos Petropoulos - 2 months, 1 week ago

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@Thanos Petropoulos @David Vreken - @Sathvik Acharya : I added one more construction.

Thanos Petropoulos - 2 months, 1 week ago

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@Thanos Petropoulos Wow, those are awesome! Thanks for sharing.

David Vreken - 2 months, 1 week ago
Txy Qere
Apr 6, 2021

CDP is similar to BAP , which shows AD =2 DP . Put point E on BD and let BE =3, then AE =2 CP . Use Stewart's Theorem to solve AE =8, then CP =4, BP =3 CP =12

Nice, different approach, although very laconic. Thanks for posting.

Thanos Petropoulos - 2 months ago

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