Friction Exercise

Two blocks are connected with each other with the help of spring and threads.
Consider N N as origin of the system.
Find the F m i n F_{min} required to move the block B B .
Details and Assumptions
1) M A = 20 M_{A}=20
2) M B = 10 M_{B}=10
3) For x < 0 x<0 ,take μ = 0.25 \mu=0.25
4) For x 0 x≥0 ,take μ = 0.75 \mu=0.75
5) The springs and threads used in the system are massless.
6) Gravity is acting downwards.
7) g = 10 g=10
8) Neglect air resistance
9) Neglect the gravitational force between the blocks.
10) Consider everything in SI units.
11) The distance between the origin and block B B is very large.

The problem is modification of a non-original problem.

I would be happy if anyone will upgrade this problem.


The answer is 162.5.

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2 solutions

In my solution, I will not explain all the steps.
F m i n x = 1 2 k x 2 + 150 x F_{min}x=\frac{1}{2}kx^{2}+150x
As we know ,to move k x = 25 \textcolor{#20A900}{kx=25}
150 + 1 2 k x = F m i n 150+\frac{1}{2}kx =F_{min}
F m i n = 162.5 \textcolor{#3D99F6}{\boxed{F_{min}= 162.5}}


Nicely done. In your first line, it should be 150 instead of 100

Steven Chase - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Steven Chase sir can you upgrade this problem?
Like we can add
1) varying μ \mu with distance.
2) varying mass in block
3) Air resistance.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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Are you asking me to? If so, I can probably do that

Steven Chase - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase yes sir.
If I will make that changes, it is obvious you will report it.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

I have a doubt about the equation of motion above F m i n = 1 2 k x + 150 \displaystyle F_{min} = \frac{1}{2} kx + 150 ; I'm getting the wrong result. Since the force of the spring on both the right and left side is k x kx , drawing a free-body diagram, we get that the minimum force is equal to the friction for block A and the force of spring acting opposite to the motion of block a, which should be k x kx . I think I'm missing something lol.

Anyway, the equation I'm getting is 150 + k x = F m i n 150+kx = F_{min}

Hope you can help me here; thanks mate!

Krishna Karthik - 11 months ago

@Krishna Karthik Bro don't make free body diagram.
Just write work energy equation.
And can you show your whole free body diagram??

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Oh, no problem, I realised the error. Good problem man! :)

Krishna Karthik - 11 months ago

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Thanks bro.
Can you make a note on Simpson 1 3 \frac{1}{3} rule and 1 8 \frac{1}{8} rule for evaluating integrals.
Thanks in advance.

Steven Chase
Jun 28, 2020

The friction forces for block A A and block B B are 150 150 and 25 25 , respectively. My approach consists of a "virtual laboratory". The process is:

1) Try different values of F F , starting with something slightly greater than 150 150 .

2) For each F F , run the time domain simulation until block A A stops (starts to move backward after initially moving forward). This is the point at which the spring force is greatest

3) Compare the final spring force against the friction force for block B B . The minimum required value of F F is the value of F F for which the final spring force is equal to the friction force for block B B . This minimum value comes out to be 162.5 162.5 .

Code is attached.

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import math

# Constants

mA = 20.0
mB = 10.0
uA = 0.75
uB = 0.25
g = 10.0
k = 5.0

dt = 10.0**(-5.0)

###################

# Friction forces

FAf = uA*mA*g
FBf = uB*mB*g

print FAf
print FBf
print ""

#>>> 
#150.0
#25.0

###################

# Trial value of F

F = 162.5

###################

# Time-domain simulation

t = 0.0

xA = 0.0
xAd = 0.0
xAdd = 0.0

while xAd >= 0.0:

    xA = xA + xAd*dt
    xAd = xAd + xAdd*dt

    FA = F - FAf - k*xA

    xAdd = FA/mA

    t = t + dt

###################

# When block A comes to a stop.....
# compare final spring force against block B friction force

print dt
print t
print ""
print F
print (k*xA/FBf)

#1e-05
#6.28319999993

#162.5
#1.00000392701
#>>> 

@Steven Chase sir thanks for code.
BTW solving analytically is pure fun.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

@Steven Chase sir i have uploaded my solution.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

@Steven Chase sir you new problem Wedge block and spring can be solved through anaylitical way????

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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I think the best way to tackle it is with a combination of analytical work and numerical simulation

Steven Chase - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Steven Chase without Lagrange is it possible to solve that problem?

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member I doubt it

Steven Chase - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase how much time will it take me to learn lagrange??

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Perhaps a few hours

Steven Chase - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase Literally , I want to learn NOW.
Can young share a pdf, I will learn that thoroughly.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Here is a good place to start. I will also put up a solution to that problem.

https://brilliant.org/wiki/lagrangian-formulation-of-mechanics/

Steven Chase - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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