Given that
0 . 1 6 1 0 . 2 5 6 0 . 3 7 5 < lo g x 2 < < lo g x 3 < < lo g x 5 < 0 . 1 6 2 , 0 . 2 5 7 , 0 . 3 7 6 ,
determine ⌊ lo g x 7 1 0 0 ⌋ .
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Good question and good explaining
Nice one!
Much better than how I approached it... I used log x(6) < log x(7) < log x(8) which required me to guess, rather than using log x(48) < log x(49) < log x(50)
Poeerful one....a tighter bound than mine
Is there any rule about how tight the bounds should be? (Did you just keep trying powers of 7 until the 1000th's place didn't matter?)
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Actually as rightly said by Haroni, the increasing monotonic can be found from the 3 prime inequalities. Also using the fact that the differential increase in logarithmic value at a higher value say 49 when compared with 7 is much more conclusive to find the bounds of the Expression at hand. And with a bit of luck (? ! duh !! In Mathematics :D) we could easily get the value ! If it weren't that simple, we would have been forced to delve even further to find answer.
There really aren't any rules - you only need the bounds to be as tight as you need them to be - in this case the 1000ths place since you know you will be multiplying the number by 100 and will round down to the nearest integer. So for example, getting 0.450 or 0.457 wouldn't matter because when multiplied by 100 you get 45 and 45.7 and then you truncate (the [ 100log_x(7) ] symbol) thus getting 45 in both cases.
I found a straight solution.
If we have a < lo g x b < c , with a , c > and b > 1 , then it implies that b 1 / c < x < b 1 / a .
Then, we have 0 . 1 6 1 < lo g x 2 < 0 . 1 6 2 ⟹ 7 2 . 1 4 7 < x < 7 4 . 0 8 9
0 . 2 5 6 < lo g x 3 < 0 . 2 5 7 ⟹ 7 1 . 8 6 3 < x < 7 3 . 0 7 3
0 . 3 7 5 < lo g x 5 < 0 . 3 7 6 ⟹ 7 2 . 2 7 1 < x < 7 3 . 1 0 0
Combining the three inequalities, we get,
7 2 . 2 7 1 < x < 7 3 . 0 7 2
From this, we get,
4 5 . 3 4 4 < lo g x 7 1 0 0 < 4 5 . 4 6
From this we can say, ⌊ lo g x 7 1 0 0 ⌋ = 4 5
Using calculator defeats the purpose of this question
we obtain values that are slightly larger and slightly smaller than lo g x 7 from adding, multiplying and subtracting lo g x 2 lo g x 3 and lo g x 5
0 . 4 4 1 < lo g x ( 3 2 0 ) < 0 . 4 4 3
0 . 4 5 9 < lo g x ( 5 3 6 ) < 0 . 4 6 2
0 . 4 4 3 < lo g x 7 < 0 . 4 5 9 , l o g x 7 1 0 0 = 1 0 0 lo g x 7
4 4 . 3 < 1 0 0 lo g x 7 < 4 5 . 9
Therefore, ⌊ lo g x 7 1 0 0 ⌋ = 4 5
great answer .. I think the third line should be that (.441+459/2) < log 7 < (.443+.462/2) then : .45 < log 7 < .4525 45 < 100 log 7 < 45.25
but great try .. really nice one
We know from statement above that log x 2 = (0.161 + 0.162)/2 = 0.1615. Then log x 2= log 2/ log x = 0.1615 ---> log x = log 2 / 0.1615 = 0.30130/0.1615 = 1.86563467... We know if log x 7^100 = 100 * (log 7/ log x) = 100* 0,84509804/1.86563467 = 0.4529... x 100 = 45,29.... So | 45.29 _| = 45. Answer : 45
Hey everybody , do you think the problem is doable if we replace 100 by 1000. thes best evaluation that i get is that its between 450 and 456 . I used 5^5/3^7 and 36/5...Maybe you can find a better approximation . Let me know ..
We know from statement above that log x 2 = (0.161 + 0.162)/2 = 0.1615. Then log x 2= log 2/ log x = 0.1615 ---> log x = log 2 / 0.1615 = 0.30130/0.1615 = 1.86563467... We know if log_x 7^100 = 100 * (log 7/ log x) = 100* 0,84509804/1.86563467 = 0.4529... x 100 = 45,29.... So | 45.29 | = 45. Answer : 45
Remember that 7 4 = 2 4 0 1 = 2 5 × 3 × 5 2 + 1 . As the second derivative of natural logarithm is always negative, then (ln(2401) <
I tried the bounds log(4x5/3) and log(4x9/5)
i.e. log(6.67) and log(7.2) which gave 0.441 and 0.459, and I could solve in 2nd attempt.
Dont know why log(48) and log(50) simply didn't strike in the first place :p
logx(7) = log10(7) * logx(10) = 0.8451* (logx(2)+logx(5)) = 0.4508 Multiplying by 100 and rounding to nearest lower integer, we get 45
First I calculated the vale of x by converting the base with log base rule: logx (b) = log10(b)/log10(x) and refined its value for all of the inequalities given in the problem. Finally for a base value x= 76, I continued the problem. Since I have to determine the floor function so i have to just take the largest integer value of 100 log76(7) and which yields me 45!
76 isn't the value of x. If you use a calculator and type in lo g 7 6 2 , you get roughly 0.1600530732, which is outside the bound.
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Yes, you are right. It is not exactly correct but the exact value will be in the vicinity of that. I just approximately calculated for 76. Actually with the help of calculator one can properly and precisely respect the given bounds. But a small change will not affect the result, since we are dealing with floor function. If this were not a floor function then result would matter a lot as we are neglecting the decimal places here and taking the lowest integer value.
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The correct value of x is actually 73. Since the question only asks for the 100th power, then yes, a difference of 3 is negligible. However, if the question had asked for a higher power, say 1000, then it would be incorrect
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@Edward Jiang – x = 73 if we assume it to be integer
@Edward Jiang – The exact value of x is actually 5 ^ (8/3) or around 73.1
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Note that x > 1 , therefore t ↦ lo g x t is strictly increasing on ( 0 , ∞ ) .
then we have : 4 lo g x 2 + lo g x 3 = lo g x 4 8 < 2 lo g x 7 < lo g x 5 0 = 2 lo g x 5 + lo g x 2 .
Use the inequalities to get that : 0 . 4 5 = 2 4 × 0 . 1 6 1 + 0 . 2 5 6 < lo g x 7 < 2 2 × 0 . 3 7 6 + 0 . 1 6 2 = 0 . 4 5 7 .
From here we see that : ⌊ lo g x 7 1 0 0 ⌋ = ⌊ 1 0 0 lo g x 7 ⌋ = 4 5 .