Logarithm Inequality

Algebra Level 5

Given that

0.161 < log x 2 < 0.162 , 0.256 < log x 3 < 0.257 , 0.375 < log x 5 < 0.376 , \begin{array} {lll} 0.161 & < \log_x 2 < & 0.162, \\ 0.256 & < \log_x 3 < & 0.257, \\ 0.375 & < \log_x 5 < & 0.376,\\ \end{array}

determine log x 7 100 \lfloor \log_x 7^{100} \rfloor .


The answer is 45.

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9 solutions

Haroun Meghaichi
Dec 24, 2013

Note that x > 1 x>1 , therefore t log x t t\mapsto \log_x t is strictly increasing on ( 0 , ) (0,\infty) .

then we have : 4 log x 2 + log x 3 = log x 48 < 2 log x 7 < log x 50 = 2 log x 5 + log x 2. 4\log_x2+\log_x 3=\log_x 48<2 \log_x 7 <\log_x50=2\log_x5+\log_x 2.

Use the inequalities to get that : 0.45 = 4 × 0.161 + 0.256 2 < log x 7 < 2 × 0.376 + 0.162 2 = 0.457. 0.45 =\frac{4\times 0.161+0.256}{2} <\log_x 7 < \frac{2\times 0.376 +0.162}{2}= 0.457.

From here we see that : log x 7 100 = 100 log x 7 = 45 . \lfloor \log_x 7^{100} \rfloor = \lfloor 100\log_x 7 \rfloor =\boxed{45}.

Good question and good explaining

RAGHU RAM - 7 years, 5 months ago

Nice one!

Happy Melodies - 7 years, 5 months ago

Much better than how I approached it... I used log x(6) < log x(7) < log x(8) which required me to guess, rather than using log x(48) < log x(49) < log x(50)

Roland Fong - 7 years, 5 months ago

Poeerful one....a tighter bound than mine

Eddie The Head - 7 years, 5 months ago

Is there any rule about how tight the bounds should be? (Did you just keep trying powers of 7 until the 1000th's place didn't matter?)

A Former Brilliant Member - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Actually as rightly said by Haroni, the increasing monotonic can be found from the 3 prime inequalities. Also using the fact that the differential increase in logarithmic value at a higher value say 49 when compared with 7 is much more conclusive to find the bounds of the Expression at hand. And with a bit of luck (? ! duh !! In Mathematics :D) we could easily get the value ! If it weren't that simple, we would have been forced to delve even further to find answer.

Sri Krishna - 7 years, 5 months ago

There really aren't any rules - you only need the bounds to be as tight as you need them to be - in this case the 1000ths place since you know you will be multiplying the number by 100 and will round down to the nearest integer. So for example, getting 0.450 or 0.457 wouldn't matter because when multiplied by 100 you get 45 and 45.7 and then you truncate (the [ 100log_x(7) ] symbol) thus getting 45 in both cases.

Roland Fong - 7 years, 5 months ago

I found a straight solution.

If we have a < log x b < c a<\log_x b < c , with a , c > a,c> and b > 1 b>1 , then it implies that b 1 / c < x < b 1 / a b^{1/c} < x < b^{1/a} .

Then, we have 0.161 < log x 2 < 0.162 72.147 < x < 74.089 0.161 < \log_x 2 <0.162 \implies 72.147 < x <74.089

0.256 < log x 3 < 0.257 71.863 < x < 73.073 0.256 < \log_x 3 <0.257 \implies 71.863 < x <73.073

0.375 < log x 5 < 0.376 72.271 < x < 73.100 0.375 < \log_x 5 <0.376 \implies 72.271< x<73.100

Combining the three inequalities, we get,

72.271 < x < 73.072 72.271 < x < 73.072

From this, we get,

45.344 < log x 7 100 < 45.46 45.344 < \log_x 7^{100} < 45.46

From this we can say, log x 7 100 = 45 \lfloor \log_x 7^{100} \rfloor = \boxed{45}

Using calculator defeats the purpose of this question

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 10 months ago

we obtain values that are slightly larger and slightly smaller than log x 7 \log_x 7 from adding, multiplying and subtracting log x 2 \log_x 2 log x 3 \log_x 3 and log x 5 \log_x 5

0.441 < log x ( 20 3 ) < 0.443 0.441 < \log_x (\frac{20}{3}) < 0.443

0.459 < log x ( 36 5 ) < 0.462 0.459 < \log_x (\frac{36}{5}) < 0.462

0.443 < log x 7 < 0.459 0.443 < \log_x 7 < 0.459 , l o g x 7 100 = 100 log x 7 log_x 7^{100} = 100 \log_x 7

44.3 < 100 log x 7 < 45.9 44.3 < 100 \log_x 7 < 45.9

Therefore, log x 7 100 = 45 \left \lfloor \log_x 7^{100} \right \rfloor = 45

great answer .. I think the third line should be that (.441+459/2) < log 7 < (.443+.462/2) then : .45 < log 7 < .4525 45 < 100 log 7 < 45.25

but great try .. really nice one

Omar Oda - 7 years, 4 months ago

  • mistake* 44 and 45 but they allow 3 answers

Nucky Korprasertsri - 7 years, 5 months ago

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There are 3 tries, but the answer is unique.

Jorge Tipe - 7 years, 5 months ago
Budi Utomo
Dec 24, 2013

We know from statement above that log x 2 = (0.161 + 0.162)/2 = 0.1615. Then log x 2= log 2/ log x = 0.1615 ---> log x = log 2 / 0.1615 = 0.30130/0.1615 = 1.86563467... We know if log x 7^100 = 100 * (log 7/ log x) = 100* 0,84509804/1.86563467 = 0.4529... x 100 = 45,29.... So | 45.29 _| = 45. Answer : 45

Hey everybody , do you think the problem is doable if we replace 100 by 1000. thes best evaluation that i get is that its between 450 and 456 . I used 5^5/3^7 and 36/5...Maybe you can find a better approximation . Let me know ..

Mouad Elassadi - 7 years, 5 months ago
Aditya Raj
Mar 4, 2014

We know from statement above that log x 2 = (0.161 + 0.162)/2 = 0.1615. Then log x 2= log 2/ log x = 0.1615 ---> log x = log 2 / 0.1615 = 0.30130/0.1615 = 1.86563467... We know if log_x 7^100 = 100 * (log 7/ log x) = 100* 0,84509804/1.86563467 = 0.4529... x 100 = 45,29.... So | 45.29 | = 45. Answer : 45

Joshua Wijaya
Jul 16, 2016

Remember that 7 4 = 2401 = 2 5 × 3 × 5 2 + 1 7^{4}=2401 = 2^{5} \times 3 \times 5^{2} + 1 . As the second derivative of natural logarithm is always negative, then (ln(2401) <

Rohit Sachdeva
Oct 31, 2015

I tried the bounds log(4x5/3) and log(4x9/5)

i.e. log(6.67) and log(7.2) which gave 0.441 and 0.459, and I could solve in 2nd attempt.

Dont know why log(48) and log(50) simply didn't strike in the first place :p

Nagabhushan S N
Oct 22, 2015

logx(7) = log10(7) * logx(10) = 0.8451* (logx(2)+logx(5)) = 0.4508 Multiplying by 100 and rounding to nearest lower integer, we get 45

Infi Circle
Dec 24, 2013

First I calculated the vale of x by converting the base with log base rule: logx (b) = log10(b)/log10(x) and refined its value for all of the inequalities given in the problem. Finally for a base value x= 76, I continued the problem. Since I have to determine the floor function so i have to just take the largest integer value of 100 log76(7) and which yields me 45!

76 isn't the value of x. If you use a calculator and type in log 76 2 \log_{76}{2} , you get roughly 0.1600530732, which is outside the bound.

Edward Jiang - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Yes, you are right. It is not exactly correct but the exact value will be in the vicinity of that. I just approximately calculated for 76. Actually with the help of calculator one can properly and precisely respect the given bounds. But a small change will not affect the result, since we are dealing with floor function. If this were not a floor function then result would matter a lot as we are neglecting the decimal places here and taking the lowest integer value.

Infi circle - 7 years, 5 months ago

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The correct value of x is actually 73. Since the question only asks for the 100th power, then yes, a difference of 3 is negligible. However, if the question had asked for a higher power, say 1000, then it would be incorrect

Edward Jiang - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Edward Jiang x = 73 if we assume it to be integer

Piyushkumar Palan - 7 years, 5 months ago

@Edward Jiang The exact value of x is actually 5 ^ (8/3) or around 73.1

Ronald Louie Sadiz - 7 years, 5 months ago

In which method?

Thanic Samin - 7 years, 5 months ago

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