Funky Functional Equation Part II

Algebra Level 5

Find the absolute value of the product of the two possible values for f ( 10 ) f(10) given that

f ( x f ( x ) + f ( y ) ) = y + f ( x ) 2 f(xf(x)+f(y))=y+f(x)^2

where x , y R x, y \in \mathbb{R} and f ( x ) f(x) is a polynomial function.


Note: This question has been edited several times, and is now correct.

See Part I if you enjoyed this problem! :D


The answer is 100.

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3 solutions

Mark Kong
Jun 8, 2014

By setting x = 0 x=0 , we see that f ( f ( y ) ) = y + f ( 0 ) 2 f(f(y))=y+f(0)^2 . Because f ( 0 ) 2 f(0)^2 is a constant, f ( f ( y ) ) f(f(y)) must be linear.

The degree of f ( f ( y ) ) f(f(y)) is the square of the degree of f ( y ) f(y) , so the degree of f ( y ) f(y) is 1. In other words, f ( y ) f(y) is a linear polynomial.

Every linear polynomials obviously has one root. In other words, f ( y ) = 0 f(y)=0 for one y y . Now, setting y = f ( x ) 2 y=-f(x)^2 gives f ( x f ( x ) + f ( f ( x ) 2 ) = 0 f(xf(x)+f(-f(x)^2)=0 . Let x x be the value such that f ( x ) = 0 f(x)=0 . Then we have f ( f ( 0 ) ) = 0 f(f(0))=0 . However, we have from earlier that f ( f ( y ) ) = y + f ( 0 ) 2 f(f(y))=y+f(0)^2 . If we set y = 0 y=0 in this equation, we get that f ( f ( 0 ) ) = f ( 0 ) 2 f(f(0))=f(0)^2 . Hence, f ( 0 ) 2 = 0 f(0)^2=0 , so f ( 0 ) = 0 f(0)=0 .

Write f ( y ) f(y) as a y ay . Then f ( f ( y ) ) = a 2 y = y f(f(y))=a^2y=y . Because the slope of the right hand side is 1, a 2 = 1 a^2=1 . Therefore, a = ± 1 a=\pm1 .

We have now proven that f ( y ) = y f(y)=y or y -y . This tells us that f ( 10 ) = 10 f(10)=10 or 10 -10 . The absolute value of the product of these two numbers is 100 \boxed{100} .

The second paragraph looks a bit messy. If someone could tell me a way to make it look more "clean", that would be great.

Mark Kong - 7 years ago
Danny He
Apr 24, 2014

On the LHS, the degree of the x x expression is d f 2 + d f d_f^2 + d_f , where d f d_f is the degree of f ( a ) f\left(a\right) , and the degree of the y y expression is d f 2 d_f^2

On the RHS, the degree of the x x expression is 2 d f 2d_f and the degree of the y y expression is 1 1 . From this we can therefore conclude that d f = ± 1 , ( d f + 2 ) ( d f 1 ) = 0 , d f = 1 f ( a ) = m a + c d_f = \pm 1, \left(d_f+2\right)\left(d_f-1\right) = 0, \Rightarrow d_f = 1 \Rightarrow f\left(a\right) = ma + c for some constants m , c m, c .

Now we have f ( x f ( x ) + f ( y ) ) = y + f ( x ) 2 m 2 x 2 + m c x + m 2 y + m c + c = y + m 2 x 2 + 2 m c x + c 2 f\left(xf\left(x\right) + f\left(y\right)\right) = y + f\left(x\right)^2 \Rightarrow m^2x^2 + mcx + m^2y +mc + c = y + m^2x^2 + 2mcx +c^2

m 2 y + c + m c = y + 2 m c x + c 2 m^2y + c + mc = y + 2mcx + c^2

As the coefficients of powers of x , y x,y and the constants must be equal on both sides, we therefore have:

m 2 = 1 m^2 = 1 , 2 m c = 0 2mc = 0 , m c + c = c 2 mc + c = c^2

Therefore, m = ± 1 m = \pm1 , c = 0 c = 0 , hence we have f ( a ) = ± a f ( 10 ) = ± 10 f\left(a\right) = \pm a \Rightarrow f\left(10\right) = \pm10

10 ( 10 ) = |10 * \left(-10\right)| = 100 100

Why do you assume f ( x ) f(x) to be a polynomial when it isn't stated in the problem statement?

Pranav Arora - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Huh, good point, that was a bad assumption to make. Either way, on the LHS and RHS there will be expressions of x x and expressions of y y both of which will have certain degrees that must be equal either side of the equals sign, and the only common solution for the degree of f ( a ) f\left(a\right) is d f = 1 d_f = 1 , so the rest of the deductions can still be made.

I think. Unless I've made another mistake somewhere. If you see one please point out to me, that would be very much appreciated, thank you.

Danny He - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Not quite. You do not know that there is a degree to talk about. For example, we might have f ( x ) = 2 x + sin x + 1 x f(x) = 2^x + \sin x + \frac{1}{x} .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

Dude, literally perfect. Exactly the method I'd hoped you guys would use. :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Did you intend for the function to be a polynomial function? If so, please add that it.

If it is a general function, then this method of considering degrees would not work.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Okay. :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

Small mistake in the first line, the degree of the y y polynomial on the LHS is d f 2 d_f^2 not d f d_f , and the degree of the x x polynomial is d f 2 + d f d_f^2 + d_f , however, the same conclusions can be made due to d f > 0 d_f > 0 . Apologies for the mistakes.

Danny He - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Dude, you can edit your solution. :D

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Huh, so you can. I had no idea, thank you!

Danny He - 7 years, 1 month ago

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@Danny He Bro you were missing out on life. :O

Finn Hulse - 7 years, 1 month ago

I keep noticing mistakes, but again, sorry. On the RHS the degree of the x x polynomial is 2 d f 2d_f not 2 2 , but again this does not affect the final conclusion that d f = 1 d_f = 1

Danny He - 7 years, 1 month ago
Barr Shiv
Dec 10, 2018

let's plug in y=x we get: f(f(x) x+f(x))= f(x)^2 +x we see that there is a kind of symatry here. now we think what if the function was nothing really doing nothing to the number conneting the number to itself in that case: f(f(x) x+x)= f(x)*x+f(x)=f(x)^2+x. in that case f(x)=x. x^2+x=x^2+x. and f(10)=10. now we assume that the action is the opposite namely f(x)=-x and we see that it satisfies. therefore f(10)=+/-10 and the product is 100

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