Gas Tank

Algebra Level 2

Consider the following sequence of events:

\hspace{2mm} 1. Start with a full gasoline tank.
\hspace{2mm} 2. Use half the gas.
\hspace{2mm} 3. Re-fill the tank with gasoline until it's full.
\hspace{2mm} 4. Use a quarter of the gas.
\hspace{2mm} 5. Re-fill the tank with gasoline until it's full.

What percentage of the gas in the tank after step (5) was originally there in step (1)?

Note: Assume perfect mixing between steps. Enter your answer as a percentage. For example, 58.4% would be entered as 58.4.


The answer is 37.5.

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21 solutions

Michael Scalisi
May 6, 2018

Let's consider the problem in two phases phase 1, So let's start with 100% of the tank divided by 2 = 50% Then the tank is filled again to 100% but we have 50% old and 50% new gas, phase 2, remove a quarter from the full gas but so we need to take 12.5% from both because the liquids are equally mixed, 50% - 12.5% = 37.5%

The answer specifically said that we can enter "decimals" as an answer to this "what percentage" question. I entered .375, and was told I was wrong. Seriously, the brilliant people are anything but. They are clearly LD / remedial. Fail.

Danny Landrum - 3 years, 1 month ago

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My thoughts exactly :(

Albin Thorning - 3 years, 1 month ago

You are saying that 0.375% of the fuel is from tank 1, which is wrong. Since they want a percentage, you have to multiply the decimal by 100 to get 37.5.

Zain Majumder - 3 years, 1 month ago

Second idiotic comment from you out of two - (see also the question about Dr Frankennine) the question asks for a percentage (i.e. answer expressed as a proportion of 100) that percentage is 37.5 - by typing .375 you were saying that it was 0.375 percent, which is out by a factor of precisely 100 from the correct answer.

Thomas Sutcliffe - 3 years, 1 month ago

0.375 multiplied by any number will give you 37.5% of that number but even when I wrote 37.5% it was my last chance and it said I was wrong and everyone else says it was right so why? :'(

Ricky Bloss - 3 years, 1 month ago

You are supposed to give the percent. Even the question states “Enter you answer as a percentage. For example, 58.4% would be entered as 58.4.”

Alan Weng - 3 years, 1 month ago

this is not a fair question, it does not ask "remove ...from the new balance of fuel" or "from the remaining original fuel" it is an incomplete question therefore invalid.

Troy Florek - 3 years, 1 month ago

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no you just needed to think harder

Ricky Bloss - 3 years, 1 month ago

The question clearly says "assume perfect mixing between steps."

Alex Georgousis - 3 years, 1 month ago

oh boy, I thought 50 minus 12.5 is 47.5.

AJ Biñas - 3 years, 1 month ago

Still cant understand. Anyone can explain to me? I'm 5 years old. (Honest truth)

Mohd Afiq - 3 years, 1 month ago

To solve this problem, I considered the amount of original gas and always took away the amounts from that. I would rate this problem a 5 because it was a bit hard but eventually I got the answer.

Lucia Tiberio - 3 years, 1 month ago
David Vreken
May 6, 2018

Relevant wiki: Setting Up Equations

In the diagram below, the red area represents the original gas, the blue area represents the new gas from Step 3, and the green area represents the new gas from Step 5.

After the third step, half the tank is original gas and the other half is new gas, at a 1 : 2 1:2 ratio, which is represented as a height of 1 x 1x out of 2 x 2x . After the fifth step, a fourth of both the original and new gas changes to new gas, at a 1 : 4 1:4 ratio, which is represented as a width of 1 y 1y out of 4 y 4y .

The original gas has an area of 1 x 3 y = 3 x y 1x \cdot 3y = 3xy and the total gas has an area of 2 x 4 y = 8 x y 2x \cdot 4y = 8xy . The percentage is 3 x y 8 x y 100 = 37.5 \frac{3xy}{8xy} \cdot 100 = \boxed{37.5} %.

And was 0.375 and marked wrong

John R. Carbon - 3 years, 1 month ago

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The problem states "What percentage of the gas" which means you give your answer as a percent; you needed to convert it.

Jason Dyer Staff - 3 years, 1 month ago

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37.5% = 0.375

They’re literally the same value.

The answer field however only accepts the input string ‘37.5’, which is both mathematically wrong and in terms of programming just pure lazy.

R Mathe - 3 years, 1 month ago

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@R Mathe While I sympathize (this is the sort of mistake I might make), when asking "which percentage" it asks you to input it as a percentage. The right version is unconverted.

What if the answer was actually 0.375%? There is no way to differentiate then. This is why we can't just accept both.

It's akin to a problem asking for an answer in centimeters, but you write it in meters instead. Yes, they're the same technically, but that's not what the answer format asked for, and since the box just has you enter a number, there's no way to convey it.

Jason Dyer Staff - 3 years, 1 month ago

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@Jason Dyer I 100% agree, or is it 1.00? :-)

David Vreken - 3 years, 1 month ago

@Jason Dyer

What if the answer was actually 0.375%? There is no way to differentiate then. This is why we can't just accept both.

This is extremely sloppy mathematics and you’re encouraging it. Never does it hold that the ‘percentage’ is 50. It’s 50%, which is the same as 0.5. The number 50 is 5000%.

One should not be allowed to enter 37.5, which is 3750%. The only legitimate solutions in mathematics are 0.375 and the 37.5%.

The symbol % itself is practically the constant 1/100.

R Mathe - 3 years, 1 month ago

Nice solution. I would suggest using a third color for the gas added in step 5 to visually distinguish the two types of 'new' gas.

RED = original gas from step 1

BLUE = new gas added in step 3

GREEN = new gas added in step 5

Matthew Feig - 3 years, 1 month ago

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Good idea! I updated my solution.

David Vreken - 3 years, 1 month ago

The answer specifically said that we can enter "decimals" as an answer to this "what percentage" question. I entered .375, and was told I was wrong. Seriously, the brilliant people are anything but. They are clearly LD / remedial. Fail.

Danny Landrum - 3 years, 1 month ago

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The correct percentage is 37.5, not 0.375. You still needed to convert your number to a percent.

David Vreken - 3 years, 1 month ago

It specifically said "What PERCENT of the gas..."

Cole Goodman - 3 years, 1 month ago

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yes, I entered 37.5 in too, as I knew this was what they wanted. But that is still wrong. The permissible answerS SHOULD be be:

37.5% \leftarrow necessarily WITH the % sign, and

0.375

it’s not too difficult to program this.

R Mathe - 3 years, 1 month ago

… or simply p = 1 2 × 3 4 = 3 8 p=\frac{1}{2} \times \frac{3}{4}=\frac{3}{8} . Why on Earth would one need to talk about area?

R Mathe - 3 years, 1 month ago

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For some people (including myself) the visualization of area is helpful.

David Vreken - 3 years, 1 month ago

This is exactly how I worked it out

Khang Tran - 3 years, 1 month ago

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really… with areas? Why on Earth?

R Mathe - 3 years, 1 month ago

NOT CLEAR IN THE Q THAT NEW GASES ARE MIXED !!!!

unknown voice - 3 years, 1 month ago

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yes it is. ‘assuming perfect mixing between steps’.

R Mathe - 3 years, 1 month ago

Relevant wiki: Multi-step Equations - Basic

Let total amount of gas the tank can hold be equal to ‘x’. Then , the original amount of gas (gas at the start of step 1) at the following steps is -

Step 1-> x

Step 2-> x 2 \frac{x}{2}

Step 3-> x 2 \frac{x}{2}

Step 4-> 3 x 8 \frac{3x}{8} Since the gases are mixed perfectly

Step 5-> 3 x 8 \frac{3x}{8}

Now, percentage of the original gas in step 5 = 3 8 × 100 = 37.5 \frac{3}{8}\times 100 = \boxed{37.5} %

Your calculation it's correct, however the phrasing of the question should refer to the original gas rather than gas that was originally there. Both could be interpreted differently.

John Rajendra - 3 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks for the correction.... I edited it.

Chandrashekar Giridharan - 3 years, 1 month ago

The answer specifically said that we can enter "decimals" as an answer to this "what percentage" question. I entered .375, and was told I was wrong.

Danny Landrum - 3 years, 1 month ago

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they want 37.5 instead of 0.375. It’s stupid. What one should do is allow for two answer strings:

0.375 and 37.5% (with the % symbol!)

And it would be nice for those of us who use , instead of . for the decimal separator to be able to enter this in as an alternative.

R Mathe - 3 years, 1 month ago

why is .375 incorrect?

Question states: "What percentange". Meaning the % is already implied. There is a note that wrongfully suggests using decimals.

Daniel Gonzalez - 3 years, 1 month ago

Even if you say "percentage" you should make an example of answer, otherwise you will have wrong statistics from this simple exercise. I inserted 0.375 and it was given as wrong but it is the same as 37.5.

Giacomo Pressato - 3 years, 1 month ago

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Yeah, I did the same thing, put in .375, totally missing that it asked for percentage

Gah.

Psy Kosh - 3 years, 1 month ago

The steps said after step 5 not 6 so the answer is wrong, but also since this is a physics app we cannot acertain any mixture of the gases so the question is inherently flawed

Jared Beaufait - 3 years, 1 month ago
Inksa Inkeroinen
May 7, 2018

0 , 5 0 , 75 = 0 , 375 = 37 , 5 % 0,5\cdot 0,75 = 0,375 = \boxed{37,5 \%}

Excellent solution - very concise, and emphasising that since the question calls for a PERCENTAGE the decimal fraction one's initial calculation arrives at has to multiplied by 100 to turn it into a percentage.

Thomas Sutcliffe - 3 years, 1 month ago
Brian Egedy
May 7, 2018

After step 1, all of the tank is original.

After step 2, when you used half the tank, half of the tank is original.

After step 3, when you filled the tank, half of the tank is still original.

After step 4, when you used 1 4 \frac{1}{4} of what remained, 3 8 \frac{3}{8} of the tank is original.

After step 5, when you refilled the tank, 3 8 \frac{3}{8} of the tank is still original.

3 8 \frac{3}{8} = .375 = 37.5%

Cole Goodman
May 8, 2018

You start off with 100% original gas. You pour off half of that gas and fill it with new gas, giving you a mix (in this scenario every sample of gas taken from that container would have equal concentration of new and old) of \1}{2} new and 1 2 \frac{1}{2} original. You pour off a quarter of that mix, half of it being original. You poured off 1 8 \frac{1}{8} of a container of gas, meaning 3 8 \frac{3}{8} of a container is still original. Decimal form of 3 8 \frac{3}{8} is 0.375=37.5%

R Mathe
May 8, 2018

I originally assumed the OP was, that the process was repeated. Then the answer is as follows. Suppose stage 2n+1, the proportion of original petrol (‘gas’ is not a liquid—this term makes no sense!) be p n p_{n} . Then 2 n 2^{-n} from the liquid is removed. This leaves a volume of 1 2 n 1-2^{-n} , so that when new petrol is added to fill the take, the proportion is p n + 1 = ( 1 2 n ) p n + 2 n 0 = ( 1 2 n ) p n p_{n+1}=(1-2^{-n})\cdot p_{n} + 2^{-n}\cdot 0=(1-2^{-n})\cdot p_{n} . Clearly, p 0 = 1 p_{0}=1 , hence the general expression is

p n = 1 k n ( 1 2 k ) p_{n}=\prod_{1\leq k\leq n}(1-2^{-k})

and the ‘final’ proportion of original petrol (if at all a sensible value) must be of the form

p = lim n p n = k 1 ( 1 2 k ) p=\lim_{n\to\infty}p_{n}=\prod_{k\geq 1}(1-2^{-k})

Numerical simulations seems to point to convergence to approximately $0,288788095086602 $ \fbox{\$0,288788095086602\ldots\$} . Mathematically, the infinite product is provably convergent, since, taking logarithms, k 1 log ( 1 2 k ) \sum_{k\geq 1}\log(1-2^{-k}) converges absolutely by the squeezing-lemma, since 0 log ( 1 2 k ) 2 k 0≤-\log(1-2^{-k})\leq 2^{-k} and k 1 0 \sum_{k\geq 1}0 and k 1 2 k \sum_{k\geq 1}2^{-k} both converge.

A nice closed expression for this product eludes me at the moment (it’s NOT ζ ( 2 ) \zeta(2) nor 1 / ζ ( 2 ) 1/\zeta(2) , etc). For example taking logarithms yields log ( p ) = n 1 k 1 2 n k k \log(p)=\sum_{n\geq 1}\sum_{k\geq 1} \frac{2^{-nk}}{k} . Swapping the sums (check if this is allowed! … it is by absolute convergence) yields log ( p ) = k 1 1 k 1 2 k 1 \log(p)=\sum_{k\geq 1}\frac{1}{k}\frac{1}{2^{k}-1} . But then I don’t see a simplification. Anyway, here’s a challenge for someone to think about.

Hugo Posthuma
May 8, 2018

We start with 100% of the gas. Then, half is removed meaning only 50% is left. Then, it is filled again which means 50% of the gas in the full gas (Step 3) is originally from step one. Then ¼ of the gas is taken out again. Because of this perfect mixing, take ¼ out of the 50% of the original gas.

½ x ¼ = ⅜

Now we have ⅜ of the original gas. Because it is filled up, then the value doesn’t change because none of it was the original gas. Therefore, ⅜ of the gas was left or 37.5% was still left.

You lost me when you wrote 1/2 x 1/4 = 3/8 I’m pretty sure 1/2 x 1/4 = 1/8

Ryan Viaene
May 7, 2018

Step 2 = 50% original gas. Step 4 uses 25% of the tank, half of which is the original gas so 12.5% is used of the original gas. 50%-12.5% = 37.5%

Shimon L
May 7, 2018

This problem should include that when you're filling the gas tanks, you're filling them with a substance other than gas. At first I wrote 100% as the answer, but then realized it was 37.5%.

Greg Whiteside
May 7, 2018

Temporarily, disregard steps 3 and 5.

1) Start with full tank.

2) Use half the gas. (Now we are at 50%).

4) Use a quarter of the gas. Proportionally, we are using one quarter of the original gas left in the tank. You could also think of this step as using a quarter of the original gas and a quarter of the new gas from step 3.

Remaining gas is equal to 0.5 - (0.25*0.5) = 0.375

Step 5 can be completely disregarded since it adds only new gas and has no change on the original gas.

Zain Majumder
May 6, 2018

Removing gas will change the volume of original gas, but not the percentage. Adding gas will change the percentage of original gas, but not the volume.

For this reason, the percentage of original gas is 100% in both tanks 1 and 2. The volume of original gas in tank 2 is a one-half gallon. In tank 3, the volume of original gas is also one-half gallon (50%).

Tanks 3 and 4 both have 50% original gas. Since half of the gas in tank 4 is original, we can calculate that the volume of gas in the fourth tank is 3 4 ÷ 2 = 3 8 \frac{3}{4}\div 2 = \frac{3}{8} gallons. Therefore, this is the volume of gas in the last tank. The answer is 3 8 = 37.5 % \frac{3}{8} = \boxed{37.5\%} .

this is why i don't like data

dennis porter - 3 years, 1 month ago
Haoran Wang
May 13, 2018

In 1st and 2nd step, concentration of originally is 1, but there just 1 2 \frac{1}{2} gas in step 2. At 3rd and 4th step, concentration is 1 2 1 = 1 2 \frac{\frac{1}{2}}{1}=\frac{1}{2} because we Assume perfect mixing, but there just 3 4 \frac{3}{4} gas in step 4. At 5th step, concentration is 1 2 × 3 4 1 = 3 8 \frac{\frac{1}{2} \times \frac{3}{4}}{1}=\frac{3}{8} ,and there have 1 gas, so the ratio of m a f t e r m_{after} and m b e f o r e m_{before} = 3 8 × 1 1 = 37.5 \frac{\frac{3}{8} \times 1}{1}=\boxed{37.5} %.

Advaita Nitturkar
May 12, 2018

Let's use the stages 1 to 5 to solve this problem. 1. In stage 1 the tank is full, that means 100% of the 'old' gasoline. 2. In stage 2 half of it was used, that means 50% of the ''old' gasoline. 3. In stage 3 it is refilled, so that is 50% 'old' and 50% 'new gasoline. 4. In stage 4 , 1/4th is used, so 75% of the total gasoline is left; 37.5% 'old' and 37.5% 'new' 5. In stage 5 it is refilled, so there is 37.5% old and 62.5% new gasoline. The question is 'What percentage of the gas in the tank after step (5) was originally there in step (1)?' so that is 37.5%.

Lyon Liang
May 12, 2018

50% x 75% = 37.5%

Chris Neith
May 11, 2018

Assume gas tank volume being 100L. By step 2, 50L of the original gas remains. Assume perfect mixing in step 3, by step 4, 25% of the original gas and gas refilled in step 2 has been used. So the amount of the original gas remaining in the tank is 75% multiply by 50L. Since we had assumed that the tank volume is 100L, we can then deduce that the remaining gas comprises of 37.5% of the original gas.

Markus Wertgen
May 11, 2018

If you swap the percentage against a volume the Solution becomes quite easy. 1) 100ml original fluid 2) 50ml original fluid 3) still 50ml original and 50ml new 4) you take a quarter away -> 50-50/4 = 37,5 original and 50-50/4 = 37,5 new 5) you fill up to 100 and your original stays the same -> 37,5

Kieran Garrattley
May 10, 2018

Start with a tank with 8/8 litres of petrol: x x x x x x x x

then 50%: x x x x

fill up with new petrol: o o o o x x x x

remove 25%, because 25% of 8 is 2, take 1 from both o and x leaving: o o o x x x

Fill up with new petrol: o o o o o x x x

now only 3/8 of the original petrol is remaining, this is equal to 37.5%

Jubaer Al-Amin
May 10, 2018

L e t s s a y w e s t a r t w i t h 8 x l i t r e o f g a s . S t e p 1 = 8 x S t e p 2 = 8 x 4 x S t e p 3 = 4 x S t e p 4 = 4 x x S t e p 5 = 3 x T h u s , w e a r e l e f t w i t h = 3 x 8 x × 100 % = 300 8 % = 37.5 % Let's\ say\ we\ start\ with\ 8x\ litre\ of\ gas.\\ Step\ 1 = 8x\\ Step\ 2 = 8x - 4x\\ Step\ 3 = 4x\\ Step\ 4 = 4x-x\\ Step\ 5 = 3x\\ Thus,\ we\ are\ left\ with=\frac{3x}{8x}\times 100\%=\frac{300}{8}\%=37.5\% \

Brendan Keen
May 9, 2018

Consider the tank has a specific volume, eg. 1000 mL.

In the second step, half or 500 mL is used so 500 mL of old gas remains when the tank is refilled with new gas.

In the fourth step, a quarter or 250 mL is used which is equal parts or 125 mL each of the old and new gas.

500 mL - 125 mL = 375 mL of old gas remains once the tank is filled again or 37.5% of the original volume.

Paul Bates
May 9, 2018

There is ¾ of ½ a tank of the original fuel left,

¾ × ½ = 3∕8 = 37.5%

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