Not as They Seem to Be

Geometry Level 4

Triangle A B C ABC is isosceles, with A B = A C AB=AC and altitude A M = 11. AM=11. Suppose that there is a point D D on A M \overline{AM} with A D = 10 AD=10 and B D C = 3 B A C . \angle BDC=3\angle BAC. Then the perimeter of A B C \triangle ABC may be written in the form a + b , a+\sqrt{b}, where a a and b b are integers. Find a + b . a+b.


The answer is 616.

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3 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Mar 14, 2015

Let B A M = θ \angle BAM = \theta and B M = a BM = a . Therefore, B D M = 3 θ \angle BDM = 3\theta

tan θ = a 11 \Rightarrow \tan {\theta} = \dfrac {a}{11}\quad and tan 3 θ = a tan 3 θ = 11 tan θ \quad \tan{3\theta} = a \quad \Rightarrow \tan {3\theta} = 11 \tan{\theta}

Let t = tan θ t = \tan{\theta} then we have:

tan 3 θ = 11 tan θ t + 2 t 1 t 2 1 t ( 2 t 1 t 2 ) = 11 t 1 + 2 1 t 2 1 t ( 2 t 1 t 2 ) = 11 \tan {3\theta} = 11 \tan{\theta} \quad \Rightarrow \dfrac {t+\frac{2t}{1-t^2}}{1-t\left( \frac{2t}{1-t^2} \right)} = 11 t \quad \Rightarrow \dfrac {1+\frac{2}{1-t^2}}{1-t\left( \frac{2t}{1-t^2} \right)} = 11

1 t 2 + 2 1 t 2 2 t 2 = 11 3 t 2 1 3 t 2 = 11 3 t 2 = 11 33 t 2 \Rightarrow \dfrac {1-t^2+2}{1-t^2 - 2t^2} = 11 \quad \Rightarrow \dfrac {3-t^2}{1-3t^2} = 11 \quad \Rightarrow 3-t^2 = 11-33t^2

32 t 2 = 8 t = 1 2 \Rightarrow 32t^2 = 8\quad \Rightarrow t = \frac{1}{2}

a = 11 2 A B = 11 2 5 \Rightarrow a = \frac {11}{2} \quad \Rightarrow AB = \frac {11}{2}\sqrt{5}

Therefore, the perimeter is 11 + 11 5 = 11 + 605 11+11\sqrt{5} = 11 + \sqrt{605}

a + b = 11 + 605 = 616 \quad \Rightarrow a + b = 11 + 605 = \boxed{616}

Took me more time to figure out that 11 5 = 605 11\sqrt 5=\sqrt{605} than solving the problem.

Jubayer Nirjhor - 6 years, 3 months ago

@Parth Lohomi Please do not set all of your problems as level 5. If this continues, I might be forced to make you unable to set problems at level 5.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Which level it should be?

Figel Ilham - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Ideally, set it based on the level of other problems that you have seen / solved. That will allow us to release the ratings earlier, instead of seeing huge changes from when we release them, to when they actually settle down.

If everyone sets a reasonable level, then we can speed up the process. If several people insist on setting the wrong level, then I will be forced to delay the process, in order to achieve more consistency.

As an example, asking a question of "What is sin 1 5 \sin 15 ^ \circ ?" should not be in level 5. It should settle down around level 2-3 (depending on how the problem is phrased / answers are given), as it is a relatively simple application of the double angle formula.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 3 months ago

sorry sir!

Parth Lohomi - 6 years, 3 months ago

sir can i know who sets the level of problems

Deepansh Jindal - 5 years, 2 months ago

I had the same solution, except that I used the identity tan 3 x = 3 tan x tan 3 x 1 3 tan 2 x \tan 3x = \displaystyle\frac {3 \tan x - \tan^3x} {1-3 \tan^2x}

Tín Phạm Nguyễn - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Nice choice. It was just that this old man don't remember the formula.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 6 years, 3 months ago

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If 57 is so old, what is 87? More than two legs in grave?

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Niranjan Khanderia Sorry, sir, I have to watch out my words.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Chew-Seong Cheong No. I only want to tell you that YOU ARE NOT Old . 87 is really quite old. A leg in the grave. I have no problem with that. Good luck.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 2 months ago
Paola Ramírez
Mar 17, 2015

B A M = α \angle BAM=\alpha , B D M = 3 α \angle BDM=3\alpha and B M = x BM=x

tan α = x 11 \tan \alpha=\frac{x}{11} and tan 3 α = x \tan 3\alpha=x so tan 3 α = 11 tan α \tan 3\alpha=11\tan \alpha .

Now

tan 3 α = sin α cos 2 α + sin 2 α cos α cos α cos 2 α sin α sin 2 α \tan 3\alpha=\frac{\sin \alpha \cos 2\alpha+\sin 2\alpha \cos \alpha}{\cos \alpha \cos 2\alpha-\sin \alpha \sin 2\alpha}

tan 3 α = sin α ( cos 2 α + 2 cos 2 α ) cos α ( cos 2 α 2 sin 2 α ) \tan 3\alpha=\frac{\sin \alpha( \cos 2\alpha+2\cos^2 \alpha)}{\cos \alpha( \cos 2\alpha-2\sin^2 \alpha)}

We get that

sin α ( cos 2 α + 2 cos 2 α ) cos α ( cos 2 α 2 sin 2 α ) = 11 tan α \frac{\sin \alpha( \cos 2\alpha+2 \cos^2 \alpha)}{\cos \alpha( \cos 2\alpha-2\sin ^2 \alpha)}=11 \tan \alpha

cos 2 α + 2 cos 2 α cos 2 α 2 sin 2 α = 11 \frac{\cos 2\alpha+2\cos^2 \alpha}{\cos 2\alpha-2\sin^2 \alpha}=11

Smplifying

cos 2 α = 32 40 = 0.8 \cos^2 \alpha=\frac{32}{40}=0.8 but cos 2 α = ( 11 x 2 + 121 ) 2 = 121 x 2 + 121 \cos^2 \alpha=(\frac{11}{\sqrt{x^2+121}})^2=\frac{121}{x^2+121}

121 x 2 + 121 = 0.8 x = 5.5 \frac{121}{x^2+121}=0.8 \Rightarrow \boxed{x=5.5}

A B C \triangle ABC perimeter is 2 x + 2 x 2 + 121 2x+2\sqrt{x^2+121}

Perimeter is 11 + 2 ( 5.5 ) 2 + 121 = 11 + 2 605 4 = 11 + 605 11+2\sqrt{(5.5)^2+121}=11+2\sqrt{\frac{605}{4}}=\boxed{11+\sqrt{605}}

Finally, a + b = 11 + 605 = 616 \boxed{a+b=11+605=616}

You may use /large so that we get bigger figures !

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 2 months ago

My approach was similar but using the Archimedes method for trisection.

calling BD=R we get Rcos(3x)= 1 and 2Rcos(x)=10

Then cos(x)=5cos(3x).

From that point the nitty gritty and hateful trigonometry manipulation. As said for somebody it had been kinder express the result as 11(1+sqrt(5))

I too agree, 11 ( 1 + 5 ) 11(1+\sqrt{5} ) is better.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 2 months ago

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