Going up!

A space tether is a futuristic idea used commonly in science fiction. It consists of a long cable that extends from the surface of the Earth on the equator to an object anchored gravitationally or via propulsion in orbit around the earth. The cable rotates with the same period as the Earth so it always goes straight up from the surface of the Earth. If such a cable was made from one material, such as carbon nanotubes, and always had circular cross sections, then how far in meters above the center of the earth would the cable need to be thickest?

Details and assumptions

  • The cable must at least be able to support its own mass.
  • There are 24 hours 24~\mbox{hours} in 1 day 1~\mbox{day} .
  • The Earth is a perfect sphere of radius 6370 km 6370~\mbox{km} and mass 6 × 1 0 24 kg 6 \times 10^{24}~\mbox{kg} .

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The answer is 4.23E+7.

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6 solutions

Jatin Yadav
Nov 24, 2013

Let R R be earth radius, M M be its mass, and ω \omega be its angular velocity.Since, the time period of revolution of pipe is same as earth's , its angular velocity would be same as that of earth ( ω \omega )

Let T ( r ) T(r) be tensile stress at distance r r from center of earth.Let ρ \rho be density of pipe.

Consider forces on a small element of mass ρ A d r \rho A dr at a distance r r having thickness d r dr ,

G M ρ A d r r 2 A d T = ρ A d r ω 2 r \frac{GM\rho Adr}{r^2} - AdT = \rho A dr {\omega}^{2} r

d T d r = ρ r ( G M r 3 ω 2 ) \Rightarrow \frac{dT}{dr} = \rho r(\frac{GM}{r^3} - \omega^2)

When T T is max, the pipe should be thickest, and at that point d T d r = 0 \frac{dT}{dr} = 0

r = G M ω 2 3 = g R 2 ω 2 3 \Rightarrow r = \sqrt[3] {\frac{GM}{\omega^2}} = \boxed{\sqrt[3] {\frac{gR^2}{\omega^2}}}

Substitute ω = 2 π 86400 r a d / s e c \omega = \frac{2 \pi}{86400} rad/sec to get r = 4.23 × 1 0 7 r = \boxed{4.23 \times 10^7}

why is the tensile stress max when the pipe is thickest?

Shreerang Kaore - 7 years, 6 months ago

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actually, consider the converse, pipe SHOULD be thickest when tensile stress is maximum and for obvious reasons.

jatin yadav - 7 years, 6 months ago

Jatin wont the tension in the string be maximum and area would vary accordingly so that the tensile stress remains constant making the chances of the cable breaking equal everywhere

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 6 months ago

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We are assuming the area of the cross section is uniform throughout the small portion of the tether.

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Hi, I have never assumed that cross-section is constant throughout , but for a small element the change in area can be neglected.

The basic of the use of integration in physics is to assume the changing quantities constant for the small element on which we focus because these changes become infinitely small for an infinitely small element.

jatin yadav - 7 years, 6 months ago

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@Jatin Yadav Sorry, I meant throughout the small element of the tether. Corrected!

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

@Jatin Yadav wudnt the tention rather than the tensile stress be maximum or are both maximum where the area is maximum.but how can this be

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 6 months ago

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@Milun Moghe sorry its tension

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 6 months ago

the cable is indeed made of one material carbon nanotubes .

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 6 months ago

Consider a small element of the tether at a distance r r from the center of the Earth, having length d r dr . Let's analyze the forces acting on this element. Let M M be the mass of the Earth, and let ω \omega be its angular velocity. Note that the tension throughout the tether varies as a function of r r . Let T ( r ) T(r) denote the tension of the tether at height r r . The forces acting on the small portion of the tether are:

i) Gravity: The gravitational force is directed downwards (towards the center of the Earth). From Newton's Law of Gravitation, we know that this force has magnitude G m ( r ) M r 2 \dfrac{Gm(r)M}{r^2} .

ii) Centrifugal force: Note that we are working in a rotating frame, so we will encounter a centrifugal force. This force is directed upwards (away from the center of the Earth). The magnitude of this force is given by m ( r ) ω 2 r m(r)\omega^2r .

iii) Tension: The force exerted by tension comes from the difference between the tensions at the upper and lower edges of this element. The magnitude of the tension, thus, is given by T ( r + d r ) T ( r ) T(r+dr)-T(r) , and is directed upwards.

Notice the subtlety of the previous comment. If T ( r + d r ) > T ( r ) T(r+dr)>T(r) , from commonsense we know that the force should be directed upwards. Indeed, note that T ( r + d r ) > T ( r ) T ( r + d r ) T ( r ) > 0 T(r+dr)>T(r) \implies T(r+dr)-T(r)>0 , so we have a positive force acting upwards. If T ( r + d r ) < T ( r ) T(r+dr)<T(r) , from commonsense we know that the force will be directed downwards. Again, T ( r + d r ) < T ( r ) T ( r + d r ) T ( r ) < 0 T(r+dr) < T(r) \implies T(r+dr)-T(r)<0 , so we have a negative force directed upwards, which is equivalent to a positive force directed downwards. Either way, the expression T ( r + d r ) T ( r ) T(r+dr)-T(r) changes its magnitude and sign accordingly.

Let's try to play with the term T ( r + d r ) T ( r ) T(r+dr)-T(r) a bit. Note that T ( r + d r ) T ( r ) = T ( r + d r ) T ( r ) ( r + d r ) r × d r = T ( r ) d r T(r+dr)-T(r)= \frac{T(r+dr)-T(r)}{(r+dr)-r} \times dr = T'(r)dr

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Balancing the forces, we obtain: m ( r ) ω 2 r + T ( r ) d ( r ) = G M m ( r ) r 2 m(r) \omega^2 r + T'(r) d(r)= \frac{GMm(r)}{r^2} T ( r ) d ( r ) = G M m ( r ) r 2 m ( r ) ω 2 r \implies T'(r) d(r)= \frac{GMm(r)}{r^2} - m(r)\omega^2 r Now, let ρ ( r ) \rho (r) be the density of this element, and let A A be its circular cross-sectional area (note that A A remains constant throughout the rope). The mass of the element is given by: m ( r ) = ρ ( r ) A d r m(r)= \rho(r)Adr Plugging these values, we obtain: T ( r ) d ( r ) = G M ρ ( r ) A d r r 2 ρ ( r ) A d r ω 2 r T'(r) d(r)= \frac{GM\rho(r)Adr}{r^2} - \rho(r)Adr\omega^2r T ( r ) G M ρ ( r ) A r 2 ρ ( r ) A ω 2 r \implies T'(r) \frac{GM \rho(r) A}{r^2} - \rho(r)A\omega^2r Notice that ρ ( r ) \rho(r) is maximized when T ( r ) = 0 T'(r)=0 , so G M ρ ( r ) A r 2 ρ ( r ) A ω 2 r = 0 \frac{GM \rho(r) A}{r^2} - \rho(r)A\omega^2r = 0 r = G M ω 2 3 \implies r= \sqrt[3]{\frac{GM}{\omega^2}} Let T T be the time period of the rotation of the Earth, so ω = 2 π T \omega = \dfrac{2 \pi}{T} . We then have r = G M T 2 4 π 2 3 r= \sqrt[3]{\frac{GMT^2}{4 \pi^2}} Plugging the values from the question gives r 4.23 × 1 0 7 meter r \approx \boxed{4.23 \times 10^{7} \text{ meter} } .

Great solution! They should really give us the value of G, though.

Cody Johnson - 7 years, 6 months ago

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G would've been a bit too much of a clue. For easily "lookupable" constants that have precise values you won't always get them.

David Mattingly Staff - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Giving the values of (even if universal) the necessary constants would be helpful though, as we wouldn't have to google them then. Also note that the radius of the Earth wasn't required for this problem. Was it meant to troll (confuse) the users? :)

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

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@Sreejato Bhattacharya No, I usually won't troll. On occasion there will be a problem with "extra info" as that's also part of being a physicist - how do you get rid of all the extraneous information you always have and boil a situation down to its essentials. I just put in the "sphere of radius" by habit, because you do need that the earth is a sphere.

David Mattingly Staff - 7 years, 6 months ago

Minor typo: T ( r ) d r = G M ρ ( r ) A d r r 2 ρ ( r ) A d r ω 2 r T'(r) dr= \frac{GM\rho(r)Adr}{r^2} - \rho(r)Adr\omega^2r T ( r ) = G M ρ ( r ) A r 2 ρ ( r ) A ω 2 r \implies T'(r)= \frac{GM\rho(r)A}{r^2} - \rho(r)A\omega^2r

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

How is it evident that T ( r + d r ) > T ( r ) T(r+dr)>T(r) ? I think you did not give argument for this..

Snehal Shekatkar - 7 years, 6 months ago

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I never said T ( r + d r ) > T ( r ) T(r+dr)>T(r) ! Please read my solution carefully. I said if T ( r + d r ) > T ( r ) T(r+dr)>T(r) , the tension will be directed upwards, and if T ( r + d r ) < T ( r ) T(r+dr)<T(r) , the tension will be directed downwards. Of course, the pipe is thickest at the point when T ( r ) T(r) is maximized, so indeed T ( r + d r ) < T ( r ) T(r+dr)<T(r) in this case.

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

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Hmm.. so T ( r + d r ) T(r+dr) acts in upward direction while (T(r))\ in the downward direction. That is all you are assuming.. right?

Snehal Shekatkar - 7 years, 6 months ago

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@Snehal Shekatkar No. I am saying if the magnitude of T ( r + d r ) T(r+dr) is greater than the magnitude of T ( r ) T(r) , the net tension force is directed upwards, and it is directed downwards otherwise.

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

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@Sreejato Bhattacharya Thats fine.. I am now talking about directions in which two Ts have..

Snehal Shekatkar - 7 years, 6 months ago

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@Snehal Shekatkar Oh, they are directed upwards. I indeed missed that in my solution. Sorry!

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

The cable would need to be thickest at the point where the tension in the cable is greatest. Consider the infinitesimal segment right at the bottom of the cable. This section of the cable has tension directed upward to counteract the force of gravity and to maintain a circular orbit. The next infinitesimal part of the cable, moving upward, will, by Newton's third law, have a tension force equal in magnitude directed downward plus a tension force that needs to counteract both the other tension force and gravity in order to maintain a circular orbit. Following this pattern, the net tension in the rope will increase until the tension force no longer has to counteract gravity and instead needs to work with gravity to maintain a circular orbit. This point occurs when the infinitesimal segment of the rope would be in a geostationary orbit since gravity is providing the only net force (the two tension forces, although great in magnitude, cancel each other here). Now we just need to calculate at which height this orbit occurs. Letting R R be the radius of geostationary orbits and ω \omega be the angular frequency of the earth and the cable, the net force, provided solely by gravity must be: F = ω 2 R m F = \omega^{2}Rm We know this force is being provided solely by gravity, and using Newton's law of Gravitation: G M m R 2 = ω 2 R m \frac{ GMm }{R^{2}} = \omega^{2}Rm canceling m m and rearranging R 3 = G M ω 2 R^{3} = \frac{ GM}{\omega^{2}} To find ω \omega we use the relation T = 2 π ω T = \frac{ 2\pi}{\omega} and we know that the period T = 86400 T = 86400 seconds solving for ω \omega gives ω = 7.27 1 0 5 \omega = 7.27 \cdot 10^{-5} plugging in G = 6.67 1 0 11 G = 6.67 \cdot 10^{-11} and M = 6 1 0 24 M = 6 \cdot 10^{24} and ω \omega R 3 = 7.57 1 0 22 R^{3} = 7.57 \cdot 10^{22} R = 4.23 1 0 7 R = 4.23 \cdot 10^{7} Which, by the logic stated above, is the point of greatest tension, so it must be the thickest part.

Rohan Rao
Dec 2, 2013

Let us assume the space tether to be a non uniform cable of variable mass distribution such that its center of mass is at a height 'h' from the center of the earth. We may assume the total mass of the tether to be concentrated at that point. Let it be 'm'. The mass of the earth M may also be assumed to be concentrated at its center. Thus we must simply consider the equilibrium of the mass m by balancing the gravitational pull of the Earth with the centrifugal pseudo force.

Thus, we have, GmM/h^2 = mv^2/h.

But here v = 2 x pi x h /T, where T is orbital time, T=24x 60 x 60 in seconds.

Thus, after plugging the values and solving the above equations, we get the answer as 4.23 x 10^7 m.

Milun Moghe
Nov 30, 2013

Consider a small mass at a distance r from the centre of the earth Let T[r] be the tension in the string directed toward the centre of the earth. So the net tension on an elemental mass is [T+dT]-T=dT

tention =T(r)

dT/dr =T' therefore *dT=T'dr *
let the elemental partical have mass m{r} at a distance r

m{r}=DAdr where D is the density and A

is the crosssectional area of the elemental part Gm{r}M/r^2 = m{r}rw^2 + T'dr

we get by solving *T'=DA[GM/r^2 - rw^2] *

* The tension in the sring is maximum where the area is maximum so that the tensile stress remains contant * T' = 0 we get r^3= GM/w^2

on putting values we obtain the final answer as * r=4.23 E+7 *

The cross-sectional area remains constant throughout the portion of the tether. Did you mean "the tension in the string is maximum where the thickness is maximum"?

Sreejato Bhattacharya - 7 years, 6 months ago

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yes thats what im trying to say

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 6 months ago

For ordinary tension problems in newtonian mechanics, the mass of the string is neglected, therefore the tension is constant in both end of the string; however since we consider the mass of the string, it would have a variable tension.

d T = d m s a dT = dm_{s} a (1)

where d T dT is the differerntial tension on a segment d m s dm_{s} of the string; experiencing a net acceleration a a .

The net acceleration a a is the sum of acceleratons due to gravity and due to earth's rotation,

a = ω 2 r G M e r 2 a = ω^{2} r - \frac{GM_{e}}{r^{2}} (2)

where ω ω is the angular speed of earth's rotation 2 π P e r i o d \frac{2π}{Period} ; {r) is the distance from the earth's center; G G is the universal gravitational constant and M e M_{e} is the earth's mass.

Assuming that the mass of the string depends on it's length;

d m = λ d r dm = λdr (3)

where λ λ is the mass per unit length of the string. Putting it all together;

d T = λ d r [ ω 2 r G M e r 2 ] dT = λdr [ω^{2} r - \frac{GM_{e}}{r^{2}}] (4)

d T d r = λ [ ω 2 r G M e r 2 ] \frac{dT}{dr} = λ [ω^{2} r - \frac{GM_{e}}{r^{2}}] (5)

to find the maximum tension (where the string is thickest);

d T d r = 0 \frac{dT}{dr} = 0 (6)

λ [ ω 2 r G M e r 2 ] = 0 λ [ω^{2} r - \frac{GM_{e}}{r^{2}}] = 0 (7)

[ G M e ω 2 ] 1 3 = r [\frac{GM_{e}}{ω^{2}}]^{\frac{1}{3}} = r (8)

I'm thinking that if i depend the mass on the volume of the string; d m = ρ d V dm = ρdV two variables are to be considered, the length of the differential segment d L dL and the radius of the cross sectional area d A dA .

Robertson Esperanza - 7 years, 6 months ago

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