Two cities are situated at an angular distance of 4 5 ∘ with respect to Earth's center.
You are asked to design a tunnel through Earth’s crust connecting the two cities such that it minimizes the time T to commute between the cities when the train moves only under the influence of gravity.
What is this minimum T ?
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There're some typos pm the first 2 equations, I think you wanted to put:
(mv^2)/2+mgr^2/2R=mgR/2
Then v^2=w^2(R^2-r^2) where w^2=g/R
Sorry I wasn't understanding anything at first.
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Well spotted!
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I have to say something more:
It is find and interesting to solve the first integral so that we can find the shape of the tunnel. But isn't true that you could arrive to the final answer without passing throught this step? Cause the functional T can also be expressed as an integral involving r and r' with difrential of r. Then substuting the definition of r' in terms of r you can solve the integral in terms of r without knowing the shape.
The only problem that I see with this is how to redefind the limits of the integral cause you must at the end know the value of p but maybe you could derive It using normal optimization or something like this.
You undertand my idea? Do you thing it is posible to do so?
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@Pau Cantos – You are right that a lot of the integral can be performed without knowing the exact shape, but to get the correct answer you do need to know the value of ρ , and evaluating ρ requires detailed knowledge of the shape of the curve.
please explain the conservation of energy equation
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The gravitational force inside the earth at radius r is proportional to r , so equal to R m g r . This makes the potential energy 2 R m g r 2 .
seems i didnt know the true equation of potential energy, only the particular case of local aproximation :/
In the expression of T(r), how u got \sqrt(r'^2+r^2) in the numerator
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Wow that's a great solve! I ended up giving up and naively guessing the chord as the path after I tried using Euler-Lagrange using Cartesian coordinates and got a complete mess. What was the motivation behind choosing r and theta coordinates and using the second form of Euler-Lagrange equations?
Also, how was the equation found after "and hence" obtained?
Thanks!
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I worked with polar instead of cartesian coordinates for simplicity - it is a one-dimensional problem to find r ( θ ) instead of a two-dimensional one to find x , y . Most of the treatments to be found on the web use cartesians, but do it wrong.
The "second form" of the E-L equations is simply the first integral of the E-L equations, given that L does not depend explicitly on θ . Even if you started with the ordinary E-L equations, you would eventually reach the "second form" during the solution process.
"and hence"... I am simply making r ′ the subject of the equation.
“Level 2” Classical Mechanics?!? Congratulations Brilliant. Ego successfully crushed.
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The not all that mathematically able engineer works it out like this...
It is known that the time taken for a transit along a chord tunnel between any 2 places on the surface is 4 π g 1 6 R .
It is known that the least time path is a cycloid path, at least in a uniform parallel gravity field, so a partial cycloid curve will be plausible. A bit of sketching of a cycloid path between two point 45° apart looks like it gets to be more than twice the depth of the chord and but not as much as thrice. Thrice the depth gives at most 3 the speed. So 4 π 3 g 1 6 R would be a lower bound and that leaves the remaining choice of 4 π g 7 R
Really at this level giving multi choice answers lets less able people such as myself an escape route!
And still, only 10% of people got it right.
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How can you see this 10%?
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I'm the creator of this question. I can see everything about this question.
When you answer correctly you get to see the % of correct answers.
The even less mathematically able layman knew the factoid that it takes around 40 minutes to traverse the Earth along any chord tunnel. Then plugged in approximate values for radius of Earth (6400000m) and g (10m/s/s) and pi (3) - well I was just doing this in my head - to get a value of around 16 for the numeric constant. Then guessed that the fastest possible path had a constant of 7 because of similar reasoning to above.
I was also surprised that only 12% got it right.
Thanks a lot.
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Since the gravitational field inside the planet is proportional to the radius r , conservation of energy tells us that 2 1 m v 2 + 2 R 1 m g r 2 = 2 1 m g R 0 < r < R so that v 2 = ω 2 ( R 2 − r 2 ) for 0 < r < R , where ω 2 = R g . A gravity train path is a function r : [ 0 , 4 1 π ] → R such that 0 < r ( θ ) ≤ R for all 0 ≤ θ ≤ 4 1 π , and such that r ( 0 ) = r ( 4 1 π ) = R . The time taken to traverse such a path is T [ r ] = ∫ v d s = ω 1 ∫ 0 4 1 π R 2 − r 2 ( r ′ ) 2 + r 2 d θ and we want to find the path that minimizes T [ r ] . Standard Calculus of Variations considerations tell us that L − r ′ ∂ r ′ ∂ L is constant, where L = R 2 − r 2 ( r ′ ) 2 + r 2 . If we assume that the minimum value of r throughout the motion is ρ R , we deduce that ( ( r ′ ) 2 + r 2 ) ( R 2 − r 2 ) r 2 = 1 − ρ 2 ρ and hence r − 2 ( r ′ ) 2 = ρ 2 ( R 2 − r 2 ) r 2 − ρ 2 R 2 It is clear that r will be a symmetric function in θ , so that r ′ = ⎩ ⎨ ⎧ − ρ r R 2 − r 2 r 2 − ρ 2 R 2 ρ r R 2 − r 2 r 2 − ρ 2 R 2 0 < θ < 8 1 π 8 1 π < θ < 4 1 π Thus we obtain the following integral expression for θ as a function of r (in the range 0 < θ < 8 1 π to begin with): θ = ∫ r R r ρ r 2 − ρ 2 R 2 R 2 − r 2 d r ρ R ≤ r ≤ R The substitution r 2 = 2 1 R 2 ( 1 + ρ 2 ) + 2 1 R 2 ( 1 − ρ 2 ) cos ϕ , for 0 ≤ ϕ ≤ π , gives us θ = 2 1 ∫ 0 ϕ 1 + ρ 2 + ( 1 − ρ 2 ) cos ϕ ρ ( 1 − ρ 2 ) tan 2 1 ϕ sin ϕ d ϕ and then the substitution u = tan 2 1 ϕ gives θ = ρ ( 1 − ρ 2 ) ∫ 0 u ( 1 + ρ 2 u 2 ) ( 1 + u 2 ) u 2 d u = ρ ∫ 0 u ( 1 + ρ 2 u 2 1 − 1 + u 2 1 ) d u = tan − 1 ( ρ u ) − ρ tan − 1 u Thus the first half of the path is described by the parametric equations: r 2 = 2 1 R 2 [ 1 + ρ 2 + ( 1 − ρ 2 ) cos ϕ ] θ = tan − 1 ( ρ tan 2 1 ϕ ) − 2 1 ρ ϕ
for
0
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ϕ
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. To ensure that
θ
varies between
0
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8
1
π
throughout this motion, we deduce that
ρ
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3
. It can be shown that the entire path, for
0
≤
θ
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4
1
π
, is a segment of the hypocycloid obtained by a circle of radius
8
1
R
rolling inside a circle of radius
R
(the angle
ϕ
is then the rolling angle).
Running through the above equations, the time taken to traverse this optimal gravity train track is T = ω 2 ∫ 0 8 1 π R 2 − r 2 ( r ′ ) 2 + r 2 d θ = ω 2 ∫ 0 8 1 π ρ 1 − ρ 2 R 2 − r 2 r 2 d θ = ω ρ 2 1 − ρ 2 ∫ ρ R R R 2 − r 2 r 2 × r ρ r 2 − ρ 2 R 2 R 2 − r 2 d r = ω 2 1 − ρ 2 ∫ ρ R R ( R 2 − r 2 ) ( r 2 − ρ 2 R 2 ) r d r = ω π 1 − ρ 2 = 4 1 π g 7 R