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Calculus Level 3

Let a > 1 a \gt 1 be the unique real number such that the equation a x = x a^{x} = x has a unique solution. Compute 1000 a \lceil 1000a \rceil .


The answer is 1445.

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7 solutions

Pranav Arora
Aug 23, 2014

Since the equation has a unique solution, then at the point of contact of two graphs, their derivatives must be same i.e

a x ln a = 1 ( ) \displaystyle a^x\ln a=1 (*)

Taking natural logarithm on both the sides of original equation: x ln a = ln x \Rightarrow x\ln a=\ln x and differentiating wrt x x , ln a = 1 x x ln a = 1 ln a x = 1 a x = e \ln a=\dfrac{1}{x} \Rightarrow x\ln a=1 \Rightarrow \ln a^x=1 \Rightarrow a^x=e . Combining this with ( ) (*) ,

e ln a = 1 a = e 1 / e \displaystyle e\ln a=1 \Rightarrow \boxed{a=e^{1/e}}

"Since the equation has a unique solution, then at the point of contact of two graphs, their derivatives must be same"

I disagree with this claim.

For example, the lines y = 2 x + 1 y=2x+1 and y = x + 2 y=x+2 intersect only at one point, yet their derivatives are clearly different.

Kenny Lau - 5 years, 8 months ago

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You should actually mention that they, one curve y = a x y=a^x and a straight line y = x y= x , touches each other, tangentially so that d d x a x = d d x x \dfrac{d}{dx}a^x = \dfrac d{dx}x

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 7 months ago

Indeed. The condition that @Pranav Arora actually wants is:

If f ( x ) f(x) and g ( x ) g(x) are differentiable functions that intersect at one point in ( a , b ) (a, b) , and [ f ( a ) g ( a ) ] × [ f ( b ) g ( b ) ] > 0 [ f(a) - g(a) ] \times [f(b) - g(b) ] > 0 , then at the point of intersection α \alpha , we have f ( α ) = g ( α ) f' ( \alpha ) = g' (\alpha ) .

To see why this is true, consider h ( x ) = f ( x ) g ( x ) h(x) = f(x) - g(x) , and the statement becomes:

If h ( x ) h(x) is a differentiable function with a unique solution to h ( x ) = 0 h(x) = 0 at α ( a , b ) \alpha \in (a,b) and h ( a ) h ( b ) > 0 h(a) h(b) > 0 , then h ( α ) = 0 h'(\alpha) = 0 .

Can you prove it from here? (It should seem obviously true at this point, but might take you some time to actually prove)

Calvin Lin Staff - 2 years ago

Maybe i am wrong but in my opinion your solution doesnt explain why that value gives only one solution.

Bruno Tenorio - 5 years, 6 months ago

It's based on graph really,since they are tangent at the point of contact, generally it's not needed to HAVE the same derivative

Lelouch Lamperouge - 5 months, 3 weeks ago

I'll write up a full solution later when I have time, but for now, observe that if a = e 1 e a = e^{\frac{1}{e}} then a e = e a^{e} = e . Note that this value of a a exceeds 1 1 , so we can have the graphs y = a x y = a^{x} and y = x y = x touch for some a > 1 a \gt 1 .

This note was to address someone's request for clarification. It turns out that this value of a a is the one we're after; stay tuned for a detailed proof.

EDIT: O.k., now for my solution, as promised.

With a > 1 a \gt 1 let f ( x ) = a x x f(x) = a^{x} - x and suppose that f ( x ) = 0 f(x) = 0 has a unique solution.

Now f ( x ) = a x ln a 1 f'(x) = a^{x}*\ln{a} - 1 and f ( x ) = a x ( ln a ) 2 f''(x) = a^{x}*(\ln{a})^{2} .

The critical point for f ( x ) f(x) is where f ( x ) = 0 x = ln ( ln a ) ln a f'(x) = 0 \Longrightarrow x = -\dfrac{\ln{(\ln{a})}}{\ln{a}} .

Next, note that f ( x ) > 0 f''(x) \gt 0 for all x x for any a > 1 a \gt 1 we choose, and so the critical point we found above represents an absolute minimum. Since we supposed that f ( x ) = 0 f(x) = 0 has a unique solution, this unique solution must be at the critical point. So

a ln ( ln a ) ln a = ln ( ln a ) ln a a^{-\frac{\ln{(\ln{a})}}{\ln{a}}} = -\dfrac{\ln{(\ln{a})}}{\ln{a}}

e ln ( ln a ) = ln ( ln a ) ln a \Longrightarrow e^{-\ln{(\ln{a})}} = -\dfrac{\ln{(\ln{a})}}{\ln{a}} , (since a = e ln a a = e^{\ln{a}} ),

1 ln a = ln ( ln a ) ln ( a ) \Longrightarrow \dfrac{1}{\ln{a}} = -\dfrac{\ln{(\ln{a})}}{\ln(a)}

ln ( ln a ) = 1 ln a = 1 e a = e 1 e \Longrightarrow \ln{(\ln{a})} = -1 \Longrightarrow \ln{a} = \dfrac{1}{e} \Longrightarrow a = e^{\frac{1}{e}} .

So if f ( x ) = 0 f(x) = 0 is to have a unique solution then this will be the value of a a . With this value of a a we have the critical point x = e x = e , for which a x = x a^{x} = x , allowing us to conclude that the solution is indeed a = e 1 e a = \boxed{e^{\frac{1}{e}}} .

EDIT #2: Since 1000 a = 1444.6679... 1000*a = 1444.6679... , we have 1000 a = 1445 \lceil 1000*a \rceil = \boxed{1445} as the answer required for entry. Sorry I didn't specify that in my original solution.

The " x \lceil x \rceil " symbols indicate the ceiling function, which returns the smallest integer x \ge x .

Brian, this value, e 1 e { e }^{ \frac { 1 }{ e } } , is a special one for me for another reason. I haven't decided whether to post something related to this as a problem or as a note. Wait for it.

Michael Mendrin - 6 years, 9 months ago

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Yes, it is a special number, which is (one of the reasons) why I titled the question as I did. I look forward to seeing the problem/note you have in mind.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 9 months ago

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Okay, this has encouraged me to finally do something about this. But I need to first work up the full solution and explanation, because I suspect this will be disconcerting for some people.

Michael Mendrin - 6 years, 9 months ago

I thought the title was inspired by the tangency point although now that I think about it that makes no sense.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 9 months ago

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@Daniel Liu It wouldn't make sense literally, but "Haven't we met before?" is often used as a coy way of introducing yourself to someone whom you haven't actually met before but really want to know. The title was also inspired by the fact that this value of a a has cropped up before in a different context, although I can't remember where. (Hopefully Michael's future problem/note will help jog my memory.)

Anyway, it was just a (lame) attempt at being clever. :P

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 9 months ago

I LOVE this problem

Jonathan Yang - 6 years, 9 months ago

the questions asks for base values i guess... you should have specified how to answer it.. the answer came out as 1444.66 and according to what i understood from the question was that i should enter my answer as greatest integer of the value i obtained .. i would request to kindly look after this issue

hemant khatri - 6 years, 9 months ago

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If you look at the question, it asks for the ceiling function and not the floor function. Hence 1445 is the valid answer.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 9 months ago

@hemant khatri Sorry that I wasn't clear about that in my original solution. I have added an edit, (similar to Calvin's note), that should address your concern.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 9 months ago

By simply looking into the question the first thought that i get was (Root 2)^ 2=2 which satisfies the stated equation in that case a=Root 2 and Celling function of 1000 * Root 2= 1415, can any one state where am i wrong.

Santosh Kumar - 6 years, 9 months ago

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This is because ( 2 ) x = x (\sqrt{2})^{x} = x has two solutions, namely x = 2 x = 2 and x = 4 x = 4 . We're looking here for the value of a > 1 a \gt 1 such that a x = x a^{x} = x has a unique solution.

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 9 months ago
Kenny Lau
Oct 10, 2015

a x = x a^x=x

x ln a = ln x x\ln a=\ln x

ln x x = ln a \frac{\ln x}x=\ln a


Let y = ln x x y=\frac{\ln x}x . The question is equivalent to finding y y which corresponds to only one value of x x .

Let us differentiate y y with respect to x x .

d y d x = ( d d x ln x ) x ln x ( d d x x ) x 2 = 1 ln x x 2 \frac{\mathrm dy}{\mathrm dx} = \frac{\left(\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}\ln x\right)x - \ln x\left(\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}x\right)}{x^2} = \frac{1-\ln x}{x^2}

Its local extrema: 1 ln x x 2 = 0 1 ln x = 0 ln x = 1 x = e \frac{1-\ln x}{x^2}=0 \implies 1-\ln x=0 \implies \ln x=1 \implies x=e .

When x = e x=e , y = ln e e = 1 e y=\frac{\ln e}e=\frac1e .

It is easy to verify that this is the maximum.

Also, lim x y = 0 \lim_{x\to\infty}y=0 , which means that when x > e x>e , 0 < y < 1 e 0<y<\frac1e .

Also, lim x 0 + y = \lim_{x\to0^+}y=-\infty , which means that this is how the graph of y y to x x looks like:


Beginning at when x > 0 x>0 (the other values of x x lead to an undefined value of y y ), we start at infinity, rapidly increasing to y = 1 e y=\frac1e when x = e x=e , and then gradually decreasing, approaching zero, but never reaching it.

Therefore y 0 y\le0 and y = 1 e y=\frac1e would correspond to only one value of x x .


For the first case:

y 0 y\le0

ln a 0 \ln a\le0

a 1 a\le1 (rejected)


For the second case:

y = 1 e y=\frac1e

ln a = 1 e \ln a=\frac1e

a = e 1 e a=e^{\frac1e}


1000 a = 1444.6 = 1445 \lceil1000a\rceil=\lceil1444.6\cdots\rceil=1445 .

This is the right way of doing it, no need of non proved tangency properties.

Théo Leblanc - 2 years, 3 months ago
Michael Mendrin
Aug 22, 2014

"This problem, once solved, becomes simple" is something my father always had up in his office, in a picture frame. Sometimes, if you have a hunch what the answer might be, the proof isn't very difficult. Let's say that the hunch is that a = e 1 e a={ e }^{ \frac { 1 }{ e } } . First, we differentiate to find the point of tangency

d d x ( a x x ) = a x L o g ( a ) 1 = 0 \dfrac { d }{ dx } (a^{ \displaystyle x }-x)={ a }^{ \displaystyle x }Log(a)-1=0

from which both of these follow

a x = 1 L o g ( a ) \displaystyle{ a }^{ \displaystyle x }=\dfrac { 1 }{ Log(a) }

a a x = e \displaystyle{ a }^{ \displaystyle{ a }^{\displaystyle x } }=e

But we want this point of tangency at 0 0 , that is

a x = x \displaystyle{ a }^{ \displaystyle x }=x , which means

a a 1 L o g [ a ] = e \displaystyle{ a }^{ \displaystyle{ a }^{ \dfrac { 1 }{ Log[a] } } }=e

If one plugs in a = e 1 e \displaystyle a={ e }^{ \frac { 1 }{ e } } (because it's such a great guess), then that's exactly what we get, which is e e .

Yes, there's never any harm in guessin'. :) I knew this had to be the answer but it was a bit tricky proving it from the point of view of not knowing what the answer was to begin with....

Brian Charlesworth - 6 years, 9 months ago

Plausible gusses : π , e , e e , e π , e i , e 1 e , ϕ \pi, e, e^e, e^{\pi}, e^i, e^{\frac{1}{e}}, \phi

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 7 months ago

You don't need to guess, once you get a a x 1 = e a^{a^{x_1}}=e , you get x 1 = e x_1 = e because, a x 1 = e a a x 1 = a x 1 = x 1 = e a^{x_1}=e\Rightarrow a^{a^{x_1}}=a^{x_1}=x_1=e . And thus a = e 1 e a=e^{\frac1e}

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 7 months ago

High-Five, I used this same procedure...

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 7 months ago

The problem asks for a>1 and a unique solution to a^x =x, which is satisfied by a = sqrt(2), x= 2, so what's all this about unique solutions? Edwin Gray

Edwin Gray - 4 years, 1 month ago

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But ( 2 ) 4 = 4 (\sqrt{2})^{4} = 4 , so with a = 2 a = \sqrt{2} the equation a x = x a^{x} = x has two solutions, namely x = 2 x = 2 and x = 4 x = 4 . What we require of a > 1 a \gt 1 is that a x = x a^{x} = x has a u n i q u e unique solution, which occurs only when a = e 1 / e a = e^{1/e} .

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 1 month ago

As I said in another post, a=sqrt(2),x=2, is a solution to a^x = x. Therefore 1000a = 1414, using the floor function

Edwin Gray - 4 years, 1 month ago

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As I mentioned in my response to your previous comment, if a = 2 a = \sqrt{2} then a x = x a^{x} = x has two solutions, i.e., not a unique solution. So a = 2 a = \sqrt{2} is not the value of a a we are looking for. As shown in the posted solutions, a x = x a^{x} = x has a unique solution for x x only in the case when a = e 1 / e a = e^{1/e} .

Brian Charlesworth - 4 years, 1 month ago
Tom Verhoeff
Mar 2, 2017

Consider the function f a ( x ) = a x x f_a(x) = a^x - x . We then have f a ( x ) = a x log a 1 f_a^\prime(x) = a^x\log a - 1 and f a = a x log 2 a f_a^{\prime\prime} = a^x \log^2 a . For a > 1 a>1 , its graph is convex (second derivative > 0 {}>0 ). We want to find a a such that f a f_a has one root. If f a f_a has one root, then that is also where its minimum is. Find its minimum by solving f a ( x ) = 0 f_a^\prime(x) = 0 : a x log a 1 = 0 a^x\log a - 1 = 0 ; hence, x = log a ( 1 / log a ) x = \log_a(1/\log{a}) . Now, find a a such that the minimum equals 0; that is, solve f a ( log a ( 1 / log a ) ) = 0 f_a(\log_a(1/\log{a})) = 0 . We have f a ( log a ( 1 / log a ) ) = a log a ( 1 / log a ) log a ( 1 / log a ) = f_a(\log_a(1/\log{a})) = a^{\log_a(1/\log{a})} - \log_a(1/\log{a}) = 1 / log a log ( 1 / log a ) / log a = ( 1 log ( 1 / log a ) ) / log a 1/\log{a} - \log(1/\log{a})/\log a = (1 - \log(1/\log{a})) / \log{a} Thus, the minimum equals 0 for 1 = log ( 1 / log a ) 1 = \log(1/\log{a}) . Hence, for a = e 1 / e a = e^{1/e} . (No need for guessing :-)

I agree with brian's response to my post; nice subtley Edwin Gray

Edwin Gray - 4 years, 1 month ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Aug 24, 2014

The question should be:

Let a a be the largest real number such that a x = x a^x=x is true. Compute 1000 a \left\lceil 1000a \right\rceil .

My answer:

By observations, when 0\le a\le 1), \(a^x=x has one solution. When a a is slightly larger than 1 1 , there are two solutions. When a = 1.5 a=1.5 , there is no solution. Therefore there is a a m a x a_{max} , where there is only one solution. That is where the curve y = a x y=a^x touches the line y = x y=x at a specific point x 0 x_0 .

Therefore, when x = x 0 x=x_0

{\cfrac{d}{dx}(a^x) = \cfrac{d}{dx}(x))

a 0 x ln a = 1 \Rightarrow a^x_0 \ln{a} = 1 , since a x 0 = x 0 a^{x_0}=x_0 ,

x 0 ln a = 1 . . . ( 1 ) \Rightarrow x_0 \ln{a} = 1\quad ...(1)

Also, ln a x 0 = ln x 0 \ln{a^{x_0}} = \ln{x_0}

x 0 ln a = ln x 0 . . . ( 2 ) \Rightarrow x_0 \ln{a} = \ln{x_0} \quad ...(2)

Comparing equations 1 and 2:

ln x 0 = 1 x 0 = e \Rightarrow \ln{x_0}=1\quad \Rightarrow x_0 = e

Therefore, a e = e e ln a = 1 ln a = 1 e a = e 1 e a^e = e\quad \Rightarrow e \ln{a}=1\quad \Rightarrow \ln{a}=\cfrac{1}{e} \quad \Rightarrow \boxed{a = e^{\frac{1}{e}}}

Chew-Seong Cheong - 6 years, 9 months ago

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Why 'Largest'? Is there any other solution?

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 7 months ago

The question is right. There is no other solution for it. You dumb

Sparsh Setia - 4 years, 6 months ago
Dylan Cope
Sep 15, 2014

As most people did, I viewed the line y = x y=x as a tangent and hence the derivative of a x = x { a }^{ x }=x can be set to 1. a x ln a = 1 { a }^{ x }\ln { a }=1 . a x { a }^{ x } is then replaced with x x . x ln a = 1 x\ln{ a }=1\Rightarrow a = e 1 x a={ e }^{ \frac { 1 }{ x } } Substituting this value of a into the original expression solves for x = e x=e\Rightarrow a = e 1 e a={e}^{\frac{1}{e}}

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