Hemisphere Mechanics |20-09-2020|

A hemispherical bowl is placed on a frictionless horizontal floor and a small disc is placed on the top of the bowl as shown in the figure. The disc and the bowl are of equal mass and there is no friction between them. The disc is slightly pushed horizontally so that it starts sliding down the bowl with a negligible speed. At what angular displacement of the disc measured from a vertical line through the centre of the bowl will the disc lose contact with the bowl?

Answer comes in the form of c o s 1 α cos^{-1} \alpha
Type α = ? \alpha=? ||row 1 col 1||row 1 col 2|| ||row 2 col 1||row 2 col 2||


The answer is 0.732.

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2 solutions

Karan Chatrath
Sep 20, 2020

Numerical solution this time. Let the coordinates of the hemisphere and disc be respectively:

x h = s x_h = s y h = 0 y_h = 0 x d = s + R sin θ x_d = s + R\sin{\theta} y d = R cos θ y_d = R\cos{\theta}

Let the reaction force radially outward acting on the disk be N N . Drawing a free body diagram and applying Newton's second law gives:

m x ¨ h = N sin θ m\ddot{x}_h = -N\sin{\theta} m x ¨ d = N sin θ m\ddot{x}_d = N\sin{\theta} m y ¨ d = N cos θ m g m\ddot{y}_d = N\cos{\theta}-mg

Crunching out derivatives, plugging them above and re-writing the equations in a matrix form gives:

[ m 0 sin θ m m R cos θ sin θ 0 m R sin θ cos θ ] [ s ¨ θ ¨ N ] = [ 0 m R θ ˙ 2 sin θ m R θ ˙ 2 cos θ m g ] \left[\begin{matrix} m &0&\sin{\theta} \\ m&mR\cos{\theta}&-\sin{\theta} \\ 0&-mR\sin{\theta}&-\cos{\theta} \end{matrix}\right]\left[\begin{matrix}\ddot{s}\\ \ddot{\theta}\\N\end{matrix}\right] = \left[\begin{matrix}0\\ mR\dot{\theta}^2\sin{\theta}\\mR\dot{\theta}^2\cos{\theta} -mg\end{matrix}\right]

[ s ¨ θ ¨ N ] = [ m 0 sin θ m m R cos θ sin θ 0 m R sin θ cos θ ] 1 [ 0 m R θ ˙ 2 sin θ m R θ ˙ 2 cos θ m g ] \implies \left[\begin{matrix}\ddot{s}\\ \ddot{\theta}\\N\end{matrix}\right] = \left[\begin{matrix} m &0&\sin{\theta} \\ m&mR\cos{\theta}&-\sin{\theta} \\ 0&-mR\sin{\theta}&-\cos{\theta} \end{matrix}\right]^{-1} \left[\begin{matrix}0\\ mR\dot{\theta}^2\sin{\theta}\\mR\dot{\theta}^2\cos{\theta} -mg\end{matrix}\right]

s ( 0 ) = s ˙ ( 0 ) = θ ( 0 ) = 0 s(0) = \dot{s}(0) = \theta(0) = 0 θ ˙ ( 0 ) = 1 0 4 \dot{\theta}(0) = 10^{-4}

Taking m = R = 1 m=R=1 and g = 10 g=10 the following simulation code is prepared:

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clear all
clc

% Initialisation:
R         = 1;
g         = 10;

% Initial states:
s(1)      = 0;
theta(1)  = 0;
dtheta(1) = 1e-4;
ds(1)     = 0;

% Time step and initialisation:
dt        = 1e-5;
t(1)      = 0;

% Initial reaction force:
Rf        = g;

% Index initialisation:
k         = 1;


% Loop running till contact is lost:
while Rf >= 0

    Th          = theta(k);
    dTh         = dtheta(k);

    % Writing out the A and b matrices:
    A           = [1 0 sin(Th);1 R*cos(Th) -sin(Th);0 -R*sin(Th) -cos(Th)];
    b           = [0;R*sin(Th)*dTh^2;R*cos(Th)*dTh^2-g];

    % Solving for dds, ddtheta and N:
    S           = inv(A)*b;
    dds         = S(1);
    ddtheta     = S(2);
    N(k)        = S(3);
    Rf          = N(k);

    % Numerical integration for velocities:
    ds(k+1)     = ds(k) + dds*dt;
    dtheta(k+1) = dtheta(k) + ddtheta*dt;

    % Numerical integration for position:
    s(k+1)      = s(k) + ds(k+1)*dt;
    theta(k+1)  = theta(k) + dtheta(k+1)*dt;

    % Time and index increment:
    t(k+1)      = t(k) + dt;  
    k           = k+1;
end

ANSWER = cos(theta(end))

%ANSWER = 0.732023082136735

This can be solved analytically by solving the above set of linear equations for θ ¨ \ddot{\theta} , then using the conservation of momentum along X and conservation of energy to solve for θ ˙ \dot{\theta} and finally using th0se expressions to solve for θ \theta after equating N N to zero. Please try yourself and share your attempt.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

@Karan Chatrath Thank you so much for solution.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

@Karan Chatrath Yes I will share my attempt within 2-3 hour.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

@Karan Chatrath By the way , why they have taken small disc? Can't they say a small particle.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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It does not matter, because the question specifies that the small disk slides on the hemisphere. If it said '(purely)rolled down' the hemisphere, then it would have mattered.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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@Karan Chatrath Exactly, as I expected.
By the way in the topic Rotation i have little bit confusion regarding rolling problems .
Are you comfortable with rolling question?, so I will post that type question.

Talulah Riley - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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@Talulah Riley I may not be able to solve a very difficult one, but I will try if you post.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

@Karan Chatrath I think this is a more comprehensive solution. Thanks; I did it a little more like Lil Doug, actually.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 3 weeks ago
Talulah Riley
Sep 20, 2020


The velocity of that small disc v v is with respect to hemisphere frame .
And the velocity of that v 0 v_{0} of that hemisphere is in ground frame.

So, F x = 0 F_{x} =0
So let's conserve momentum in x x direction 0 = m v 0 + m ( v cos θ v 0 ) 0=-mv_{0}+m(v \cos \theta -v_{0}) After this conserving energy as always m g R = 1 2 m v 0 2 + 1 2 m ( v 0 2 + v 2 + 2 v v 0 cos ( π θ ) ) + m g ( R R cos θ ) mgR=\frac{1}{2}mv_{0}^{2}+\frac{1}{2}m(v_{0}^{2}+v^{2}+2vv_{0} \cos (π- \theta))+ mg(R-R \cos \theta)
And the last equation normal to the inclined plane when it losses contact normal reaction will be zero N = 0 N=0
Which gives the equation m v 2 R = m g cos θ \frac{mv^{2}}{R}=mg \cos \theta
After solving these 3 equations patiently gives cos θ = 3 1 , 2 , 1 3 \cos \theta= \sqrt{3}-1, 2,-1-\sqrt{3}
The only reasonable value of cos θ \cos \theta seems to be c o s θ = 3 1 \large \boxed{cos \theta=\sqrt{3}-1}

i got 2/3. how isn't it 2/3?

Rohan Joshi - 5 months, 1 week ago

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